Evidence of meeting #39 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was amendment.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Ernewein  General Director, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Bernard Butler  Director General, Policy Division, Policy, Communications and Commemoration Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs
Suzy McDonald  Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health
Jason Wood  Director, Policy and Program Development, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health
Brian McCauley  Assistant Commissioner, Canada Revenue Agency
Denise Frenette  Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Soren Halverson  Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance
Wayne Foster  Director, Securities Policies, Department of Finance
James Wu  Chief, Financial Institutions Analysis, Department of Finance
Donald Roussel  Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Kash Ram  Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport
Michel Leclerc  Director, Regulatory Affairs Coordination, Department of Transport
Colin Spencer James  Director, Policy and Program Design, Temporary Foreign Workers, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Darlene Carreau  Chairperson, Trade-marks Opposition Board, Department of Industry
Nathalie Martel  Director, Old Age Security Policy, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Thao Pham  Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal Montreal Bridges, Department of Transport
France Pégeot  Special Advisor to the Deputy Minister, Department of Justice
Ann Chaplin  Senior General Counsel, Department of Justice
Atiq Rahman  Director, Operational Policy and Research, Department of Employment and Social Development

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

The current exclusions?

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That's right.

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

Currently under the HPA there are 12 sectors excluded, including food, cosmetics, wood and wood products, drugs, tobacco, hazardous products, medical devices, and....

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Pesticides?

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

Let me just check my list to make sure I have them all.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I have consumer, chemicals, pesticides potentially as well.

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

Here we go: consumer products, cosmetics, drugs, food, medical devices, pesticides, explosives, wood and wood products, tobacco, manufactured articles, hazardous waste, and nuclear substances.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Those are excluded out of the conversation we're having right now, just in terms of the amendments under this provision. Is that right?

May 29th, 2014 / 6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

Those are currently excluded. The idea through this act is to move each of those into a schedule to the act.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

For those watching at home, can you please help us on the process? Once moved into a schedule to the act, are they fully deemed part of the act now?

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

No. There is no immediate impact. When they're moved to a schedule to the act, these sectors that were previously excluded under the HPA remain excluded as they're moved to the schedule. What it does allow is that in the future, these sectors could be brought under the Hazardous Products Act, but to do this a full regulatory process would be required, including a cost-benefit analysis, consultations, and prepublication in the Canada Gazette.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

With these changes incorporated under those products and other hazardous products, how would you compare the disclosure regime here in Canada to those of the EU and the U.S.?

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

Currently in the United States and the European Union, those eight sectors that were moving to the schedule are included in their equivalent systems to Canada's workplace hazardous materials information system, WHMIS.

Those are included. How they are disclosed is different, based on the product and differences between the U.S. and the European Union. In some instances, only a safety data sheet would be required, and no labelling requirements. In other instances, there would be a requirement for both a label and a safety data sheet.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Again, I know this is a broad comparison, but for these products that the government, through this implementation act, is trying to move in and onto the list, is Canada seeking a higher rate of disclosure for Canadian citizens with respect to these hazardous materials or lower than that of either the U.S. or the EU?

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

The idea is that over time Canada would be able to bring these into the Hazardous Products Act and essentially align with what's currently required in the United States.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Right. I've heard from some in the industry, not at this committee but through other hearings, that this would bring us up to the American and European standards in terms of disclosure. But the process you've described is that it makes them available to be eventually disclosed to the same level as what they do in Europe or the United States. Is that right?

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

That's correct.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Okay. Is this just a process question? Why not move up to full disclosure like our European and American trading partners have?

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

There's a variety of reasons for that, including the fact that WHMIS is built on a tripartite system, whereby we work very collaboratively with industry, employers, and our provincial and territorial counterparts. The idea is that we would need to consult more broadly before bringing in these sectors.

Furthermore, as I've just described, there are legislative and regulatory requirements that we need to be conscious of in moving these forward. We need to make sure that we're bringing them forward in such a way that we're not causing harm to other pieces of legislation or other disclosure requirements. We do need to do more research before we bring them in.

6:25 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

For my last question, does the department do an impact assessment in terms of what the disclosure would cost the industry, the estimated costs?

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

The regulatory impact assessment statement, the RIAS, would need to be done for each sector before bringing them in. That's part of the regulatory process.

6:25 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That hasn't been done yet.

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health

Suzy McDonald

It has not been done.

6:25 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thank you.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you, Mr. Cullen.