It is exciting, and it is about small business.
During the Prime Minister's trip to China, our CEO, Perrin Beatty, hosted a moderated talk with Jack Ma, the head of Alibaba, which people often call the Chinese Amazon. In fact, Amazon only has $90 billion in revenue, and Alibaba has $240 billion, so this is massive. He was saying that Alibaba and the electronic commerce is really about empowering small business. It's not that you have to have a big retail thing or a big multinational. You can go and list and use those electronic tools, even if you're in Mississauga or Winnipeg or Charlottetown. You can use those things.
When you speak to your banker, the local banker will call in the trade finance department at head office and say that renminbi exists. One of the challenges for the banks is to push these tools and this knowledge out to the local branches and local people.
We say, firstly, that there are a lot of electronic commerce tools available to SMEs, but also it's to talk to your bank and ask what tools are available to you.