I think that the first recommendation is really about how we can start thinking about that Red Seal endorsement, which is something that has become recognized over time as a credential. We can start recognizing that, even when we're interviewing for positions within the federal government or within our contractors, and thinking about that as being equal to another kind of credential.
In human resources management, often the first question is, “Do you have a university degree?” What that does is undervalue even at a high level.... What it does is say to young people that they can get their Red Seal credential, but it's never going to be good enough. This goes back to university-first culture. If any kind of credential is recognized at the same level, then I think it will tell young people and tradespeople that the credential is valued. We'll start to see post-secondary institutions have opportunities to ladder into MBA courses and into other higher education, with this as an equivalent to an undergraduate degree.
I think this is one of those things that have very little to do with spending money. It has a lot to do with valuing that as a form of post-secondary education so that the credential has real value in the economy.