Evidence of meeting #186 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was benefit.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Blake Richards  Banff—Airdrie, CPC
Kim Rudd  Northumberland—Peterborough South, Lib.
Ava Yaskiel  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Finance
Peter Fragiskatos  London North Centre, Lib.
Brenda Baxter  Director General, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Alex Duff  Manager, Wage Earner Protection Program, Policy and Oversight, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Dale Denny  Director, Financial Management and Reporting, Corporate Services Branch, Department of Finance
Darlene Bess  Chief Financial Officer, Financial Management Directorate, Department of Finance

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

You said he would have to answer the question. You said, Chair, that he would answer the question.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

And he is—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

That was your commitment. He hasn't.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

You're out of order, Mr. Poilievre.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

He hasn't answered the question.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Minister, you have the floor.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

He has not answered the question.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shut off his mike.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

It's a yes or a no.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shut off his mike.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

It's a yes or a no.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Minister, you have the floor.

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Liberal

Bill Morneau Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

I think I've made my point.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you, both.

We have Mr. Julian, for seven minutes.

4:05 p.m.

Blake Richards Banff—Airdrie, CPC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair, before we move to the next round.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Yes.

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Banff—Airdrie, CPC

Blake Richards

I've observed the time during Mr. Poilievre's opportunity to have an intervention here.

I've served as a member of Parliament for 10 years. I've served on a number of committees.

I have great respect for you, Mr. Chair. However, I would ask that you give us a bit more of a clear ruling on this.

It's based on this. On the committees I've sat on in the past, generally what I've seen the chair do is exercise the prerogative of the person with the time—the member—to use that time as they wish. If they feel that they need to move to an answer because a witness is taking too long and those kinds of things, they are able to do just that. I've always seen that. It's been the practice I've seen through 10 years on a number of different committees.

What I would ask, Mr. Chair.... I understand from what you've indicated what you believe the ruling should be, but could you please provide us with some documentation from O'Brien and Bosc, or somewhere, that would indicate why that ruling is being done? It certainly differs from the convention I've seen on every other committee I've sat on.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

On the way we have tended to operate in this committee, we give equal time to the questioner and to the answer, and in the fullness of time I've felt a little leeway sometimes to the questioner and sometimes to the witness to give a little more of an answer so you have the fullness of an answer.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

On the same point, Mr. Chair—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

That's the way I've tended to operate.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

On the same point, you did not give equal time. I asked short, pointed questions, to which the minister responded by giving speeches on unrelated matters, and you allowed him to go on much longer than my question. That is not how these proceedings are supposed to go. We are allowed to ask questions and demand answers from ministers. That's what this place is for.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Can we move on, or do you all want to waste time here?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

You are not the minister's bodyguard.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I am not the minister's bodyguard. I have never operated that way and never will.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Today you did.