One comment I'd make is I would be careful of making comparisons of Canada-U.S. debt figures that only focus on the federal government. It ignores that our federation is a much more decentralized federation. I think these comparisons are much better done at the level of total government. But I do agree that I'm not advocating debt-financed transfers to the business community.
I think I indicated, though, that there are lots of ways of communicating with the business community and not all of them involve money. Rhetoric and actions are another.
I mentioned, for example, that I thought one of the most significant measures from the new Ontario government was when they appointed the former head of the Ontario Chamber of Commerce to chief of staff at Treasury Board, overseeing government operations. This is a person who is very well known in the business community in Ontario. I think that sends a very strong message, as strong as any of the policies that have been announced so far by the Ford government, that there's going to be a different relationship between the business and government communities in Ontario going forward.