That is true.
I could also get into numbers—I don't have them with me, Mike—that the debt during the Trudeau period was.... If you look at the debt levels at the time, they really escalated in the Mulroney years. They went up a little during the Chrétien years. Then they went up another $150 billion during the Harper years and they're going up a little now. If you want to get to the absolute numbers, we can get to them.
With that, we'll adjourn the meeting.