Evidence of meeting #35 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was economic.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

James Meddings  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy and Strategic Direction (Ottawa) , Department of Western Economic Diversification
Gerry Salembier  Assistant Deputy Minister, British Columbia Region , Department of Western Economic Diversification
Martin Sutherland  Director, Policy, Planning and External Relations, Department of Western Economic Diversification
Ken Martin  Vice-President, Newfoundland and Labrador, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Karen Skinner  Director General of Regional Operations, Newfoundland and Labrador, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Lisa Setlakwe  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry
Aime J. Dimatteo  Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario
Janet King  President, Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency
Matthew Spence  Director General, Northern Projects Management Office, Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you, Jen.

I have a last question. This committee will make some recommendations to the Department of Finance and the minister. Do you have any suggestions, as ACOA in your area, whether in areas of government programming, or more money, or whatever it might be, that would make it possible for you to attain better results and better economic growth in your area of jurisdiction?

I was just reading that in the area of robotics, which is not your area, there are six Canada research chairs and none are in Atlantic Canada. That's a problem.

Are there any areas where you would say the federal government could be providing different input, which would assist you in doing your work?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-President, Newfoundland and Labrador, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Ken Martin

As I mentioned earlier in my remarks, I feel that both in terms of programming and FTEs, we are in good shape. The agency does have the flexibility to adjust how we deliver our programming to focus on areas of opportunity. We always commit our full resources.

If the Government of Canada saw fit to increase the agency's budget and ask that we step up our efforts in areas of core responsibility, and that's around innovation, international business development, skills and productivity improvements, you would have my assurance that those resources would be well deployed. However, I do think that we are well resourced now and have the ability to do the work and deliver on the mandate that we've been given.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay. Is there anything further you'd like to add?

5:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Newfoundland and Labrador, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Ms. Skinner and Mr. Martin, for appearing before us and for your answers.

5:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Newfoundland and Labrador, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Ken Martin

Thank you.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We will suspend for a few minutes and then go to FedNor.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We will reconvene and welcome the Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario, better known as FedNor. With us we have Mr. Dimatteo, director general, and Ms. Perreault, director of corporate services and policy. Also with us is Lisa Setlakwe, associate assistant deputy minister.

Mr. Dimatteo, the floor is yours.

5:30 p.m.

Lisa Setlakwe Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Sector, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Mr. Chair, first, I'll just say a couple of things.

I'm Lisa Setlakwe. I work with the Department of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada located here in Ottawa. I am joined by Aime Dimatteo and Lucie Perreault, who are both located in the region and directly manage FedNor, its programs, and its relationships with stakeholders in that region.

I will ask Mr. Dimatteo to make opening remarks.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you.

The floor is yours. Go ahead.

September 22nd, 2016 / 5:30 p.m.

Aime J. Dimatteo Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. Thank you for the opportunity to be in front of you this afternoon to talk about FedNor. My opening remarks will attempt to describe the structure and conditions in which FedNor works.

FedNor is a regional development organization that is responsible for economic development, job creation, and economic diversification in northern Ontario. It delivers on this mandate through its programs and initiatives. We deliver it through our partnerships with all other federal departments, the Province of Ontario, and other stakeholders in northern Ontario.

FedNor has a very large service area. Northern Ontario represents 90% of the land mass in Ontario, but is home to only 7% of the population. Slightly more than half of northern Ontario's 833,000 residents live in the five major centres. The remaining folks live in smaller rural communities and in first nations communities.

In total, there are 150 municipalities, 80% with a population of 2,000 or less. The region is also home to 110 of the 126 first nations communities in Ontario. Close to 90% of those 110 first nations communities have fewer than 1,000 people. Of those 110 first nations communities, 29 are remote communities, accessible only by air or by winter road.

Northern Ontario faces a number of significant challenges. First, while progress continues towards building a more diversified economy, the region remains highly dependent on resource sectors, making northern Ontario's economy susceptible to global economic downturns and market fluctuations. We have seen these fluctuations in the mining industry, the steel industry, and the forestry industry, where there was a major downturn several years ago which we are now coming out of.

The second challenge has to do with the large number of northern Ontario communities that are small, rural, and remote. Many of these small communities lack the capacity, both fiscal and human, to take advantage of economic opportunities. They require support from FedNor to assist in laying the groundwork needed to support them in their efforts to spur economic development and economic diversification in their communities.

The third challenge relates to the small and medium-sized enterprises in northern Ontario. It remains a concern that these SMEs, and most of them are small, have a difficult time accessing funding for their projects, given that they are in rural areas, away from traditional funders. Moreover, because they are located in small, rural, and remote communities, potential lenders consider them to be higher risks. When they try to access traditional sources of funding, they are often refused for this reason.

In addition, northern Ontario's vast geography and low population combine to amplify challenges related to transportation, infrastructure, energy costs, ICT/broadband gaps, and access to a skilled workforce. For example, many companies continue to have difficulty finding skilled workers to replace retiring employees.

Two studies recently carried out, one in the northeast by Laurentian University and one in the northwest by Lakehead University, found that over the next five years in the mining and forestry industries alone there will be a need for approximately 40,000 new workers in each of these jurisdictions.

In regard to manufacturing, unfortunately, northern Ontario lags behind the rest of the province significantly. We have 880 manufacturers in the region of northern Ontario. This accounts for only 4% of manufacturers across the province. Of those, roughly 19% are involved in exporting their products outside the region, both nationally and internationally, compared to 42% in southern Ontario.

Our major industries—forestry, mining, and steel—are huge users of energy. No doubt you have been hearing about the energy costs in Ontario, and the energy costs in northern Ontario are higher than in other jurisdictions, affecting the ability of the companies in these industries to make investments needed to take advantage of growth opportunities and to continue to diversify their business operations.

FedNor, through its support of strategic projects, in collaboration with all federal, provincial, municipal, and first nations partners, continues to work to address these challenges and promote opportunities in the region.

These challenges are not new to northern Ontario. We have suffered these cycles in the mining and forestry industries time and time again. Stakeholders are, above all, resilient and continue to focus their efforts on opportunities for diversification, as opposed to simply putting up their hands and saying that the challenge is too great.

I would now like to turn my attention to the opportunities that we have in northern Ontario and that FedNor is involved in to a great extent.

A growing global demand for minerals, coupled with the region's rich mineral resources and reserves, as well as knowledgeable and innovative mining cluster, represents a wealth of opportunities in our mining sector. This includes the generational mining opportunity known as the Ring of Fire development, on which I would be pleased to speak to you in more detail later in the presentation.

The northern Ontario mining sector is innovative. It is world-class and world-renowned. It does business in many jurisdictions across the globe, and it finds itself in the very enviable position of being able to provide those kinds of services globally.

Emerging from a long downturn and facing the expiry of the softwood lumber agreement, the forestry industry is now making large investments in value-added forest products and new clean and green technology, resulting in operational improvements, growth in these companies and, bottom line, jobs being created in the communities in which they reside.

As an example, in Thunder Bay, a major strategic partnership is currently leading efforts to establish a wood-based biochemical cluster, a project that aims to hasten mass production and the successful commercialization of green biochemicals derived from wood in northern Ontario.

In a nutshell, rather than looking at a tree as a two-by-four or a two-by-six, we are now looking at a tree for the chemical compounds that it represents, and how it can add value into the chain of products that we see developed in the world. This is a major initiative, featuring a number of important industry players—Resolute Forest Products, a major international company; Natural Resources Canada; Sustainable Development Technology Canada; the Province of Ontario; Lakehead University; and FedNor itself—who have been working in collaboration to develop this innovative technology and bioproducts that can be marketed to the world.

This is a great example of what the future holds for the forestry industry, which we believe will continue to prosper and bring value-added to the communities in northern Ontario.

Agriculture is also on the rise in northern Ontario, in large part because of the affordability of land. With over a million acres of available agricultural land in northern Ontario, you can buy an acre of land for approximately $500, whereas in southern Ontario that same acre of land will cost you somewhere between $5,000 and $25,000. FedNor is working diligently with community and industry partners seeking to take advantage of this opportunity.

Longer growing seasons are enabling our agricultural businesses to grow different kinds of crops, creating a more productive and diverse agricultural landscape across northern Ontario.

The region is also home to other existing and emerging innovation clusters in areas including health care, research, and green technology. Again, I would be pleased to offer more comment in those regards.

Last, probably one of the most significant key opportunities that northern Ontario has involves the region's significant indigenous population. Again, 110 of the 126 first nation communities in the province are located in northern Ontario.

While the north's overall population continues to decline, if not flatline, first nations communities are seeing their populations increase. With 29% of the local indigenous population under the age of 15, it is clear that the contributions of indigenous youth will be vital to the north's future success. It's an opportunity to promote a more proactive and participatory approach to economic development in those communities, including the advancement of resource development opportunities in the far north where many of our remote communities are located.

In conclusion, FedNor has acted and will continue to act as the Government of Canada's lead economic development organization to help northern Ontario communities diversify their economies and prosper in the future. I believe that FedNor is well positioned to deliver on its mandate, the government's priorities, and to work in unison with all its partners to ensure that communities across northern Ontario are provided with the tools they need to help them succeed in the future.

Thank you for allowing me these opening comments, and I look forward to your questions.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you, Mr. Dimatteo.

We'll turn now to Mr. Sorbara.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Mr. Chair, I wish to give my allotment of time to my friend and colleague from the riding of Sudbury, Paul Lefebvre.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Welcome back to Ottawa, Mr. Dimatteo. I am happy to see you again.

You mentioned the challenges and opportunities in northern Ontario. I'd like you to give a sense to the committee as to the budget allocated to FedNor. I want to address this, because I hear from a lot of my constituents that people in northern Ontario who do apply for federal funding for certain programs are sometimes told the programs are oversubscribed.

First, let's talk about the budget, and then we'll talk about how many people are applying and the different types of requests you're receiving from these different groups.

5:50 p.m.

Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Aime J. Dimatteo

Thank you.

FedNor's main program, its flagship program, is called the northern Ontario development program, fondly called NODP. It's base budget sits at $31.5 million, and it has been at that level for the last few years. Previously, we had seen some increases for specific project allocations, but after that, the base budget is $31.5 million.

Clearly, we receive far more applications.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

In general, how many applications do you receive on a yearly basis?

5:50 p.m.

Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Aime J. Dimatteo

On average, FedNor is able to provide assistance in the range of 250 to 300 applications.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Okay, and about how much funding? If you put together all the requests that come in, about how much would that represent?

5:50 p.m.

Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Aime J. Dimatteo

Let me give you this fiscal year as an example. We have probably received in excess of 300 requests for over $90 million this fiscal year.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

So $90 million, and you have $31.5 million.

5:50 p.m.

Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Aime J. Dimatteo

We have $31.5 million. Hence my comment about the importance of our collaboration with other federal departments and programs in the province of Ontario.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Let's just talk about this $90 million. A lot of small businesses and a lot of small communities apply for infrastructure funding through FedNor as well. Is that correct?

5:50 p.m.

Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Aime J. Dimatteo

Yes, that is correct.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

We're looking at small businesses and small communities applying, as well as a lot of cultural groups that request funding.

Can you explain how it works?

5:50 p.m.

Director General, Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario

Aime J. Dimatteo

Again, our flagship program has three priorities: innovation, community economic development, and business growth and competition. We are open to receive applications from municipalities, first nations communities, not-for-profit, private sector, and any other legal entity that is looking to do business in northern Ontario that meets the criteria of our program under one of those three headings.