If I can jump in, I think a very tangible example of one of the key assets I mentioned in the presentation is the trust and relationships in communities on the ground across the country. A conversation like this is generally not a very easy one.
The Natural Step has been having an 18-month process of conversations, just like this, where you have a mix of people in a room who usually aren't together in one place. I think that's the magic of what the Energy Futures Lab has started to do, taking a nascent idea like that, and with the right people in one place, getting into the kind of conversation that is usually so divisive in the media. But when you get two people in a room who have a relationship in place and a facilitated process, something special can happen. That's the kind of thing we want to see more of right across the country.