So we're basically talking about privatization, because obviously those investors, be it pension funds or be it private equity managers, will actually ask for a decent rate of return for them to invest. They won't just give the money for free. They'll ask for that rate of return. We heard actually from Mr. Sabia at some point in time that a decent rate of return would be between 7% and 9%.
If we're talking about that rate of return for projects over 30 years, that's a lot more than what government could actually do by itself by actually borrowing the money at 2% or 3% interest, at most. I'm trying to see how this privatization or this move will actually be to the benefit of the country, especially since most of the risk will be assumed by the federal government in any case.