It is absolutely profit before anyone else. It certainly has nothing to do with servicing the clients, as far as I could tell from the decades that I spent with Scotiabank. I also think this name and shame is starting to happen, because I don't think any of us would be sitting in this room here if it weren't for Wells Fargo bank and the employees at Wells Fargo finally coming forward and telling their story.
I think that's what got the Canadian bank employees to come forward and start telling their stories to the CBC, and I found out about it because I'm a news hawk. I watch the CBC all the time, and I read it online, and that's how I found out about this commission. I thought that was interesting because all these people are talking about things that happened in the last five to 10 years, so I got in touch with the CBC reporter and said, “I can tell you that I was doing that 40 years ago”, and she found that to be quite shocking. I think what's shocking is how long this has been going on without anybody ever making a fuss about it. I think it's time a fuss was made. That's why I think this commission is a great thing.