Finance Committee on May 7th, 2024

[Matthew Green, NDP, Hamilton Centre, ON]

That's debate. Shut it down.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

It's not debate. It's a question of privilege.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

MP Genuis, I have given my ruling.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Green, are you engaging in crosstalk?

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

I have given my ruling, members. That is it. We are going—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On point of order, Chair, you didn't reference the question of privilege at all.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

I have given my ruling, MP Genuis.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

Go ahead.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You didn't reference the question of privilege at all—

[Matthew Green, NDP, Hamilton Centre, ON]

That's debate.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

—and Mr. Green is engaging in crosstalk. I don't know if you have anything to say to him about that or not, but he's still talking.

[Matthew Green, NDP, Hamilton Centre, ON]

My mic is not on.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

MP Genuis, I have given my ruling.

We're going back to—

[Philip Lawrence, Conservative, Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

Go ahead on a point of order.

[Philip Lawrence, Conservative, Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON]

Before your ruling, I asked to speak to the question of privilege. Are we discussing that now or was that your ruling on it?

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

I have given my ruling.

[Philip Lawrence, Conservative, Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON]

Was it on the privilege issue?

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

I gave my ruling on MP Genuis coming to the table, looking to speak as a substitute and not having MP Hallan out of the room, which I asked for.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On a point of order, Chair, I was not seeking to speak as a substitute. I was seeking to speak as an associate member and as the elected member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan.

[Julie Dzerowicz, Liberal, Davenport, ON]

That's not a point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You don't have to like me personally, but you are dead wrong on the rules, and I invite the clerk to weigh in. The clerk should be invited to weigh in on this. It is an important principle of Parliament—

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

We'll suspend.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

We are back.

After conferring with the clerks, I can say, MP Genuis, that this is not a question of privilege. First, I did not recognize you as a member and you had not been substituted. There was no consent from members to hear you speak. You just barged through the doors. If 338 members wanted to run through the door and start doing what you did, it would be mayhem. It would be chaos. We would not have decorum, so to maintain decorum, that is what took place.

Once you've been substituted, you are at the table. However, there was no consent from members to hear you. You just turned on your mic and started going, and that is not allowed.