Finance Committee on May 7th, 2024

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

Go ahead, Mr. Genuis.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Chair, I didn't just turn on my mic and start speaking. I said “point of order”.

[Matthew Green, NDP, Hamilton Centre, ON]

That's still debate.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

The way you raise a matter of order is by saying “point of order”. Then you're recognized and you continue.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

MP Genuis, I just said that you did not have consent and you were not substituted.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On a point of order, I don't need the consent of other members to raise a point of order. It's a dramatically new concept to say that you need the consent of other members of a committee to raise a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

You would have to be at the committee, and you would have to be recognized by the chair or have implied consent. You did not have it and you just started speaking.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Could the clerk speak? I don't think your interpretation of the rules is accurate. The clerk knows the rules.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

I've given my ruling to members.

With that, we are now going to MP Turnbull.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

Go ahead on your point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Is your ruling that associate members cannot raise points of order?

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

MP Genuis, you were not at the table. There was no consent to have you speak. You barged into this room and into this committee.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Chair, what does it mean to say that I barged in? I opened the door and walked through it, and I sat at the table. I'm an elected member of Parliament, and I'm an associate member of this committee.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

MP Genuis, we are going back—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I don't need your permission to do my job as an MP.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

MP Genuis—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Part of my job is to sit on committees.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

Sure, you can sit on the committee. Right now, you are subbed into the committee. You are sitting on the committee—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Even if I'm not subbed in—

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

No, you must be. As I said, we cannot have 338 members or 100 senators run through the door and start grabbing the mic. You do need to be recognized by the chair, and you need consent from the committee.

I'm going back to MP Turnbull.

[Arnold Viersen, Conservative, Peace River—Westlock, AB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Peter Fonseca]

We are going to MP Turnbull.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

Thank you, Chair. I appreciate having the floor back after that display of—