Maybe just on the NATO piece I'll say that we're trying to get to that 2% target. The only way we're going to be able to do that is through procuring domestic capabilities. We know that, between 2018 and 2020, the cyber sector in Canada grew over 30% in terms of employment, R and D, and revenue, but only 8% of that came from Canadian government contracts.
To really put it in perspective, Canada's Five Eyes partners buy three times as much Canadian cyber-technology products and services than Ottawa itself. Other countries understand what we have. They are using it for their security apparatus, and for whatever reason we fail to do so. I can't tell you how many times I have met with a new member, and they have told me that they do business with the American military or with the British military, but DND is nowhere to be found. There are lots of processes in there to, I think, hold our own in our military alliances.