Evidence of meeting #87 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ministers.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Graeme Hamilton  Director General, Traveller, Commercial and Trade Policy, Canada Border Services Agency
Nicole Thomas  Executive Director, Costing, Charging and Transfer Payments, Treasury Board Secretariat
Lindy VanAmburg  Director General, Policy and Programs, Dental Care Task Force, Department of Health
Neil Leblanc  Director, Canada Pension Plan Policy and Legislation, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Colin Stacey  Director General, Air Policy, Department of Transport
Joël Girouard  Senior Privy Council Officer, Machinery of Government, Privy Council Office
Benoit Cadieux  Director, Policy Analysis and Initiatives, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Tamara Rudge  Director General, Surface Transportation Policy, Department of Transport
Steven Coté  Executive Director, Employment Insurance, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Robert Lalonde  Director, Individual Payments and On-Demand Services, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada, Department of Employment and Social Development
Blair Brimmell  Head of Section, Climate and Security, Security and Defence Relations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Marcel Turcot  Director General, Policy, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada
Paola Mellow  Executive Director, Low Carbon Fuels Division, Department of the Environment
David Chan  Acting Director, Asylum Policy, Performance and Governance Division, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Marie-Josée Langlois  Director General, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Nicole Girard  Director General, Citizenship Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Michelle Mascoll  Director General, Resettlement Policy Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Vincent Millette  Director, National Air Services Policy, Department of Transport
Rachel Pereira  Director, Democratic Institutions, Privy Council Office
Samir Chhabra  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Alexandre  Sacha) Vassiliev (Committee Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

No, I disagree. But anyway, proceed.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Okay. We'll allow for the answer. Then, MP Morantz, you'll have the floor.

Go ahead.

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

The truth is that Canada's budgetary practice going back to the early eighties is actually really smart, and it's nothing to do with me and this particular government. It's how all budgets have been done since then. The fiscal projections—the sort of base scenario of what we believe is going to happen to growth, to inflation, to the price of oil, those kinds of key components—are not figured out by smart Finance officials like the people sitting with me. They come from the projections of private sector economists and the average of their projections.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

There's no answer, unfortunately, on that, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

No, there actually is an answer, and there has—

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Let's allow for a conclusion.

Minister, if you could just—

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

[Inaudible—Editor].

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

I'll wrap up quickly, yes.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

I have a point of order.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Point of order, MP Morantz.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

The minister, on this question, has had at least twice as much time now than I took to ask the question. I would like my time back so I can move on.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Morantz, I did not look at the time, I'll be honest with you.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

I've been looking at it.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Just allow the minister to conclude, and then we'll get to your question.

Minister?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

The basic point is that the projections of private sector economists about the direction of the Canadian economy changed significantly between September of last year and the beginning of this year, and that led to a meaningful swing in the underlying—

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Mr. Chair, she's not answered the question.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Thank you, Minister.

MP Morantz go ahead.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

She's gone on [Inaudible—Editor] four times. I have a point of order.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Yes, on a point of order.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

I want to make it clear that the idea is that we ask a question and the response takes roughly the same amount of time. It doesn't have to be to the second, but her response was three or four times longer than my question. I'd like some time back so I can ask her—

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Morantz, you have time right now. We did pause the time, so you have an opportunity.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

I know and you have another point of order, but I think we need to solve this problem.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Yvan Baker Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

I have a point of order.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

On a point of order, MP Baker.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Yvan Baker Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Chair, the Conservatives are asking questions of the minister on topics that are complex and require the minister time to be able to answer them. It shouldn't be hard for the Conservatives to understand that. In this particular case, the minister took more time to respond to the question than Mr. Morantz took in asking it. But in most of the cases so far, what has happened is that they've taken time to ask the question, and before the minister has had equal time, they've interrupted and heckled her. I would ask you, Chair, to allow the minister to —