Yes. Thank you.
Evidence of meeting #87 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ministers.
A video is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #87 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ministers.
A video is available from Parliament.
12:25 p.m.
Conservative
12:25 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
I don't know why.... How is it that the Conservatives have a point of order on their own motions? They're speaking to their own motions.
12:25 p.m.
Conservative
12:25 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
I'm going to raise a point of order on something procedural.
I don't think it's procedurally in order to revoke something that the committee has already decided.
Can we have the clerk maybe rule that this is not in order?
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
Are we no longer talking about the new subamendment that Mr. Lawrence has put on the table?
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
We are at the new subamendment.
The other subamendment was ruled out of order. This is the subamendment to MP Blaikie's amendment, which is (h) at the end of MP Beech's motion.
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
I have another point of order, Mr. Chair.
Hasn't the committee already voted on the requirement to not start clause-by-clause without the minister appearing for two hours as part of the old subamendment? I'm so lost.
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
12:30 p.m.
NDP
Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB
If I may, Mr. Chair, I think Ms. Dzerowicz is referring to.... In fact, we are on the third subamendment. We had the first subamendment that we voted on not that long ago. Then we had a second subamendment that was ruled out of order. Now I think we're technically on the third subamendment, if you count the one that was ruled out of order as a subamendment.
I think what she's asking is whether the first subamendment had the question of tying the minister's appearance to the beginning of clause-by-clause. If so, I think the argument she's making is that the question has already been decided by the committee, and the committee can't be asked to decide the same question twice. I think that's her argument.
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
Yes. Thank you for articulating it better than I have, Mr. Blaikie.
12:30 p.m.
Conservative
Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB
On that point of order, Mr. Chair, my recollection is that the first—
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
MP Morantz, we're going to suspend for two minutes. We're going to confer with the clerk.
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
MP Dzerowicz, what we voted on was the subamendment to the amendment. We did not vote on the amendment and subamendment as a whole. We voted on the subamendment. That was that the Minister of Public Safety appear and that clause-by-clause not be scheduled unless both of these ministers have appeared.
Hang on one second, MP Dzerowicz.
12:35 p.m.
NDP
Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB
Pardon me, Mr. Chair. I think the question was for you to rule on the principle of whether the committee—
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
Both of the ministers get rolled in here, so would that not be both ministers?
12:35 p.m.
The Clerk
Yes.
12:35 p.m.
Conservative
Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON
Now we're just changing it to one because we couldn't agree on both.
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON
Mr. Chair, you have to rule on whether the amendment is in order.
12:35 p.m.
NDP
Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB
I think part of the question that's at stake here is whether the principle of tying the beginning of clause-by-clause...was an important component of the subamendment that the committee has already decided on in its vote on subamendment one.
12:35 p.m.
NDP
Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB
I suspect we're going to be here for 10 minutes anyhow, so if we need a break, so be it.
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
My ruling is that it captured, as I see it, the Minister of Finance.