Again, Jamie, the number one issue that we're finding—to make the result more practical or measurable—is that what happens to our people is based on their pensions. They're living on a pension and that's all they have. What you find is that they have options. Many of them are sick with all these chronic illnesses that have now hit them. You find that they have choices now: whether they pay the hydro bill, buy their food to survive or pay the rent. An ambulance bill will take $200 to $400 off of them. If they go twice, they're starving. They have the choice to either buy food or pay an ambulance bill. The next time, the ambulance doesn't want to go there because they have a debt owing. It becomes a very scary position for them.
One of the studies showed that the number one issue is they can't afford their medicine. That's the number one reason that they're dying young—sooner than everybody else. Again, it's because we're on our own. There's no program for us to deal with the issue.
The economies of scale that we're in today were forced historically back to us. For example, they chased us off our land. We owned Winnipeg, Portage la Prairie and Neepawa.. That was our land and we can't take it back now. It's owned by farmers, government and individuals.
What happened was our economy really hit us back. We're fighting to try to get back into the economy and to try to take care of ourselves, but we need that tool. We need some of our taxes back. Let's put it that way, to be frank.