That is a question we can quite easily ask.
In closing, I think there's a very important point that has come up here several times. We have, certainly, an expert here on salmon and someone who has monitored gravel extraction on the Fraser who is saying we can do this in a responsible manner without any major degradation of the stream bed or the salmon population. And the other very obvious point that keeps coming up is the fact that if the pinks only spawn every second year and we have a quota of gravel that we want to meet, we could still meet that quota by extracting it in the off years when they're not spawning. I fail to see the challenge here.