Clearly, all the information is tabled, and some of it comes directly from the fishermen through the log book, landings, the bycatch, and so on. All of this information is on the table.
I would invite you to participate in one of those peer review meetings, which are very extensive, sometimes lasting a full week, where people present their information and are challenged. We invite international experts to look at the information.
The phone survey is done jointly with the industry. I don't know the extent of the questions, but it's been going on for multiple years now. There's a very sophisticated approach to doing it.
I'm a bit worried about the concept of the credibility of our scientists, of their not being there; of people not trusting our scientists. We have a very strong cadre of scientists. They're working nationally, they're being challenged internationally, and their information is being peer-reviewed. I think it's easy to claim that what they do is wrong, but the issue is more how we improve what's being done, if indeed it's wrong, and how we can correct it, if there are issues. But we haven't seen proof today that what our scientists have done is wrong.