Evidence of meeting #51 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was outfitters.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean Boudreault  President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique
Marc Plourde  Chief Executive Officer, Quebec Outfitters Federation Inc.
Jean Lévesque  President, Association des pêcheurs du lac Saint-Pierre
Marcel Bouchard  Treasurer, Association des pêcheurs du lac Saint-Pierre

June 4th, 2015 / 11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call this meeting to order.

I'd like to thank our guests for joining us today. As you're no doubt aware, we're studying recreational fisheries in Canada. We certainly do appreciate your taking the time today to appear before this committee to provide us with some remarks and comments, and to answer committee members' questions.

I'm sure the clerk has already advised you that we generally allow about 10 minutes for opening comments and remarks, and then we proceed into questions by and answers for committee members. When you're answering the questions of our committee members, I would ask that you try to keep your responses as concise as possible, as members are constrained by time limits. This will allow them to get in as many questions as possible.

Having said all that, I do appreciate your time here today.

We're going to cover one little item of housekeeping before we move to the start of your remarks, so I'll turn the floor over to Monsieur Lapointe at this time.

11:05 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to draw the committee's attention to the following motion:

That the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans undertake a study as soon as possible, to examine the effects of the declining American Eel population in order to develop an action plan, jointly with the plan prepared by the Quebec Department of Energy and Natural Resources, designed to: (1) reverse the decline in the population; (2) increase the economic activity generated both domestically and internationally by this fishery; (3) preserve the eel fishing techniques in Kamouraska as part of our intangible marine heritage; and (4) designate the American Eel as a species of “special concern” under the Species at Risk Act, and that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House at the earliest opportunity.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much, Monsieur Lapointe.

Notice has been given for that motion.

We'll now move into remarks by our guests, and I'm not sure who will lead off .

Monsieur Boudreault or Monsieur Raymond, the floor is yours at this point, if you want to proceed with your opening comments.

11:05 a.m.

Jean Boudreault President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for inviting me to speak to you as part of this consultation.

I am the president of FQSA, the Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique, a non-profit organization that has been around for over 30 years and that represents all parties involved in salmon in Quebec. The federation's mission focuses on everything relating to salmon, including its conservation, its protection and its enhancement.

Our presentation today will touch on three points: the economic importance of Atlantic salmon in Quebec, the management and enhancement of stocks, and the aquaculture of salmon in Quebec.

Let's take a look at the economic situation of salmon in Quebec. In 2012, expenditures of Quebec fishers generated $573 million and $160 million in tax revenue for the governments, in addition to creating over 9,000 jobs. With these economic inputs, Atlantic salmon represents over $35 million in GDP and tax revenue, and maintains over 400 jobs.

For Quebec's salmon regions, salmon generates $26 million in revenue. Salmon is the species that provides by far the most significant daily benefits, which is due to the amount of daily expenditures observed. It generates $730 a day on average, which is 10 times more than bass, which ranks second when it comes to Quebec revenue.

In terms of managing and enhancing stock, I would like to make a small correction. In 1984, Quebec adopted the river-by-river management approach as the principle for managing its salmon rivers, unlike the federal government, which adopted a uniform management system by imposing catch-and-release for all large salmon throughout the Atlantic provinces. Under that principle, every waterway is fished based on its own characteristics. The implementation of such an approach is inevitably more complicated than the federal government's approach and requires a certain number of preconditions.

It should be noted that Quebec is at an advantage because a lot of its salmon rivers are small in area. So in all likelihood, they contain few different stocks. A large part of them are under very tight control owing to the organizations to which government authority has been delegated for the administration of recreational fishing and resource protection.

At one time, fishing season didn't open until the appropriate authorities felt that a river could support having a certain number of salmon caught, and salmon control was ensured by general application measures regarding the fishing season and daily and seasonal catch limits. The only possible choice for those salmon resource managers was to open or close fishing based on the status of stock in a given river.

Catch-and-release opens up the possibility for fishing without removing stock or catches geared toward a certain population segment. Catch-and-release is increasingly widespread in Quebec, and the majority of salmon fishers use this practice. For a number of years now, the FQSA has promoted among all salmon fishers in Quebec good approaches for practising catch-and-release. In this context, the FQSA feels that catch-and-release in one form or another is one of the preferred ways for managing salmon populations.

As we can see, the current river-by-river management approach enables Quebec to monitor the development of returns in real time and to order catch-and-release, if necessary, during the season, as it did in 2014 on the FQSA's recommendation. In the context of low salmon returns in 2014 and as a precaution, the FQSA resolved to maintain mandatory catch-and-release of large salmon for all Quebec rivers, with the exception of those in northern Quebec, until a new Atlantic salmon management plan is in place.

The FQSA is greatly concerned about maintaining salmon populations, and is in favour of using management approaches that will ensure the survival of this species while permitting sustainable economic development.

As for creating salmon habitats, the FQSA is currently managing a program to enhance North Shore Atlantic salmon habitats to compensate for the residual impact on the various salmonid species of moving the hydroelectric development from the Romaine River.

In 2011, the Quebec ministry for sustainable development, the environment and the fight against climate change, Hydro-Québec and the FQSA signed a co-operation agreement to develop, implement and manage this $10-million program over 10 years. Under this program, Atlantic salmon was designated a priority species because of its great ecological and socio-economic value on the North Shore.

This program includes five objectives: first, contributing to consolidating and expanding Atlantic salmon populations; second, creating or improving the production of Atlantic salmon habitats; third, acquiring the knowledge needed to plan and follow up on the performance of projects; fourth, protecting the salmon resource; and fifth, encouraging the participation of local communities and river management organizations.

One of the features of the program is that it can fund up to 100% of the costs for projects, which fall into four categories: major projects, community projects, scientific projects and projects for the maintenance of major facilities. Aside from the fact that it can fund up to 100% of projects, the program has generated additional investments to the tune of 30% by proponents and other funders. In addition, through these investments, the development potential of salmon populations is 10,000 salmon a year.

Currently, there is only one program of this type in place in Quebec, and it is not enough to meet the demand of the North Shore region alone. The needs in terms of managing the habitat of salmon rivers in the regions of the Gaspé Peninsula, Lower St. Lawrence, Charlevoix and Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean are also very great and present a good potential for population development. There are about $15 million in investments needed to enhance salmon habitats in these regions. These massive investments to improve the quality and availability of habitats would certainly make it possible to consolidate and develop our Atlantic salmon habitats, as shown by the current program to enhance Atlantic salmon habitats on the North Shore.

A second program has been put in place as part of realizing the development of the hydroelectric complex on the Romaine River. The program has an envelope of $20 million over 20 years. A corporation was created to manage this program. The FQSA is the agent and is therefore providing all of the administrative services for the corporation. The purpose of the project is to regenerate a salmon population in the Romaine River.

I will now talk about salmon aquaculture.

In countries that raise salmon in cages, the practice has led to heated discussions between industrial producers and environmentalists. Although Canada produces fewer farmed Atlantic salmon than Norway or Chile, it is still the third largest producer of this species in the world, with 8% of global production. These marine cages are concentrated on the west coast and on the east coast, mainly in the Bay of Fundy, which borders the shores of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador.

Given environmental issues like the local pollution of marine environments and the biological impact, including the spread of parasites and disease, and the genetic pollution of wild populations related to escapes, such farming of wild salmon populations and salmonid populations, in general, are banned.

In a resolution, the FQSA is asking the government to impose a moratorium on all new projects for farming salmonids in marine cages; to exercise better control over existing marine cage farming facilities; to put in place an environmental and economic audit for all production sites; to gradually reduce the number of salmonid farming sites farming using marine cages; and to establish and implement a program to convert marine cages to land farming facilities, as is done in various U.S. states, including Virginia.

Following these statements, the FQSA sent letters to federal government authorities, but we have not had an answer yet.

In Greenland, Atlantic salmon fishing is mainly a cottage industry, using small boats and mesh nets. Since 1998, and under a NASCO agreement, no commercial fishing or exports are allowed. Fishers can keep their catches for their own personal consumption or sell them in the local market or to restaurants to support their community, which is often isolated.

Since Greenland's inhabitants have an historic right to catch salmon and the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea, or ICES, has approved a catch of 20 metric tons, we cannot question this practice.

For the past decade, we have seen an increase in the number of salmon being caught in Greenland. In 2014, these catches amounted to 58 tons. The FQSA strongly questions the monitoring of these catches. The Government of Canada, through its presence on NASCO, should ensure that the harvest set out by ICES, namely 20 metric tons, is maintained and that the reliability of results provided by Greenland are as well.

Given that Canada exploits the natural resources of the North Atlantic under certain conditions, as does Greenland, it would be worthwhile for the government to initiate negotiations with Denmark and Greenland outside of NASCO on this particular issue. Diplomatic and socio-economic solutions could be considered to reduce the pressure on salmon stocks on Greenland's shores. It's important to know that fishing in Greenland directly affects Quebec's salmon populations.

Lastly, I will speak about the capacity to improve recreational fishing.

Salmon fishing is a public right that belongs to the entire Quebec community. The management model for recreational salmon fishing in Quebec is fairly unique in North America, both in how it biologically manages salmon stocks and socio-economically. The socio-economic component is unique in that it means that community and private bodies can offer salmon fishing, but that it remains a public resource. However, the social changes occurring in Quebec, particularly the aging population, are having an impact on salmon fishers.

The four important characteristics of the salmon fishing sector are as follows. First, the resource is in a precarious state, but it helps maintain an attractive economic activity. Second, fishers are aging, and although they are faithful, we are seeing signs that their numbers are dwindling. Third, the network of service provides is dualistic, meaning that a few businesses are flourishing, but a very large number of them are just getting by because of insufficient resources. Fourth, the salmon fishing industry is itself mature because of the state of the resource, but the increasing acceptance of catch-and-release makes it possible to keep fishing a worthwhile activity.

For a few years, we have seen an increased interest in fly fishing in Quebec. This interest, combined with a greater practice of catch-and-release, should help the salmon fishing sector to remain sustainable and possibly develop based on Atlantic salmon populations. To benefit from this interest, ad campaigns should be organized to maintain and develop the economic contribution generated by salmon fishing in Quebec, especially in a number of remote regions.

Finally, greater access to the funding of projects, including the program to enhance North Shore Atlantic salmon habitats, would allow for greater salmon production and for significant economic benefits for Quebec's regions.

Thank you very much.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much.

Now we'll move into the question period. We'll start off with a 10-minute round by Mr. Lapointe.

11:15 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Gentlemen, I would like to thank you for being here to help us with this study.

First, can you please briefly remind us of the concerns that people had in 2014 about the Atlantic salmon stocks in Quebec rivers? In the decisions that have been made in 2015, how many rivers will require “catch-and-release” because of the state of the stocks?

11:20 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

In 2014, about 50% of the salmon population was returned to the river. That number normally varies between 70% and 80%. So there was a significant drop. The FQSA reacted to that in early July, asking the Quebec government bodies to impose catch-and-release. That started on August 1, 2014. From that point on, all fishers on Quebec rivers were required to catch and release all large salmon for reproduction.

In 2015, we are in an interim phase. The ministry has added 16 rivers to the 30 rivers where catch-and-release is in place. In Quebec, there are now about 50 rivers where all or some salmon is returned to the water. There are still between eight and 10 rivers where it is still possible to catch large salmon, but quotas are imposed in those cases.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

What is the direct impact on tourism? Will the fact that catch-and-release is now required discourage some fishers from continuing to fish recreationally in Quebec?

11:20 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

There is certainly an impact. About 80% of fishers are willing to use catch-and-release in Quebec. In other words, there has been marked change with fishers and in the population. It's really interesting. However, the measure that the Quebec minister implemented a few weeks before fishing season had a major impact on certain Quebec rivers. It was done too quickly. When fishers are given a few years as a transition period, things can go fairly well. However, caution is needed because the impact can be felt. We saw that in 2014. The minister made his announcement on August 1, and rivers were deserted for the rest of the season.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

As you said, the annual benefits of about $573 million were quite threatened. That's major.

Could we try to work together to determine solutions that could be used to establish the sustainability of stocks in the longer term, in the decades to come?

Out of all the witnesses we have heard from, you may be the one whose position on farmed salmon is the clearest and firmest. You immediately associated it with the risk of disease and pollution. You concluded by saying that a moratorium should be imposed. That's the first time I've heard that. You even suggested that we consider converting marine production to land production.

Could you provide more factual details about what you've observed? Have you seen any impacts of salmon farming that led you to make those conclusions?

11:20 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

There are a number of studies, but we won't address the scientific details here. That said, the impact on the environment has been demonstrated. We're more concerned about the genetic aspect. Genetic transfer occurs when these salmon escape and mix with our wild salmon. Some elements may result in contamination and reduce the ability of our salmon to migrate and survive in the ocean.

Since we haven't had a response from the federal government, we have verified which fish farms—on land or elsewhere—existed in Quebec. In western Canada, there are—

11:20 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

I'm sorry. I want to be sure I understand. You have communicated your concerns to the federal government several times, but no one has responded. Is that right?

11:20 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

Exactly.

Letters were sent to the minister, Ms. Shea, so that the issues could be addressed and follow-up done. But we haven't heard anything since. The letter was sent two years ago. As we have proclaimed on all platforms, we oppose these fish farms. Quebec has spoken out against them. We have the support of the minister of sustainable development, the environment and the fight against climate change, as well as the minister of forests, wildlife and parks. There will be no fish farms in Quebec in the coming months or years.

Since consumers really like salmon, we have done some research in Canada and elsewhere to see if there are any other ways of farming them. The idea is not to reduce the market, but to find a constructive solution. In western Canada, an aboriginal community, the 'Namgis First Nation, set up a fish farm on land. They are now producing about the same quantity as an ocean fish farm, but they are doing it ecologically. So this is ecological salmon, farmed very effectively on land. The output of the farm has been completely bought by elders in the community, and they have distributed the salmon to grocery stores and elsewhere.

We are currently trying to develop this procedure in Quebec, with investors and people who might be interested in setting up fish farms on land.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

So there are two things: your concerns about farmed salmon and your concerns about Atlantic salmon stocks in Quebec rivers. I will put you on a track. The witnesses we have heard from almost all agree on the following question.

Do you think that Fisheries and Oceans Canada has demonstrated some disengagement when it comes to its obligation to ensure an appropriate level of research and study on these situations to be able to make the best possible decisions?

You think that stocks in Quebec are doing fairly badly, and you are asking for a moratorium. Could you tell us if you have observed a disengagement and whether the federal government could take a better approach so that the problem could be studied using resources that are consistent with the size of the issue?

11:25 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

We share your opinion. As everyone says, the ocean is a black box. Our federation feels that the federal government is not doing what it should in this respect. There have certainly not been enough studies. There isn't information because very few studies have been done.

In Quebec, there is some control and a good knowledge of the quality of salmon habitats and production, but once the salmon is in the ocean and moving toward Greenland, there is no control. It falls into the federal government's jurisdiction. We think we are being very poorly served in this regard.

People in Greenland have the right to commercial fishing, as do aboriginals in Quebec. The 20-ton limit is adequate. It has risen to 58 tons, and the number is climbing. What is the federal government doing? That's why I gave a few suggestions in my comments. We need serious negotiations to reduce this limit. It's important to know that salmon caught through commercial fishing in these places comes from Quebec.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

These are largely schools of fish that return to Quebec rivers.

11:25 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

That's right.

There is also commercial fishing. There is local fishing in Saint-Pierre and Miquelon. All that fishing will give us less control.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you for your comments and your observations.

There is another aspect of your testimony that I would like you to comment further on.

You spoke about the difference between the river-by-river management approach and the different approach taken by the federal government. You said simply that it was more complex. What are the advantages or disadvantages of the federal government's different approach to managing Atlantic salmon stocks?

11:25 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

I will speak about management in Quebec. I said that it was more complex. In fact, since we go river by river, there is a larger amount of data to manage and it is more precise, and it reduces the management-related risk. That was what I meant by my comment. The data is much more precise, and our evaluation of the production and number of salmon in our rivers is more accurate. We can manage salmon populations much more shrewdly and work with the river manager to ensure the sustainability of the resources.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

If I understood correctly, you spoke about a $15-million investment that would be required to improve the North Shore salmon habitat. What are your impressions about these investment needs? What role should the federal government play here?

11:25 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

First, the $15 million would be for regions other than the North Shore. The current enhancement program managed by the FQSA, which amounts to $10 million, involves part of the North Shore. The $15 million is for an assessment for other regions of Quebec, including Saguenay, the Lower St. Lawrence and the Gaspé Peninsula. These regions also have needs related to salmon habitat development. The federal government has not invested in salmon in Quebec in over 10 years. The species has been ignored. There has been no investment, no support from organizations. An organization like ours receives no support from the federal government. That is why we have identified this aspect.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you. That's all the time I have.

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

11:30 a.m.

President, Fédération québécoise pour le saumon atlantique

Jean Boudreault

Thank you very much.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you, Monsieur Lapointe.

Mr. Sopuck.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Robert Sopuck Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette, MB

Thank you, and thank you to our witnesses for appearing for this most important study. We had to work very hard to get this study going. The Liberal Party was strongly against it; we had to overcome that resistance to get this study off the ground. So we're very pleased about our ability to do that.

How do you monitor the size of salmon runs in your specific rivers?