Both DFO production facilities and community development projects, all of the volunteer and the DFO-funded hatcheries, have basically been closed. When I talked about targeting our efforts on specific stocks of chinook that southern resident killer whales need, those are the stocks.
We need chinook salmon in the spring, in May, June, July. We need chinook salmon that are large. Those are the stocks of chinook that traditionally these whales would have fed on. There's a whole bunch of reasons why sub 2 chinook salmon, or all sub 2 salmonids, are struggling in the Fraser River right now, whether they are Thompson, Chilcotin, or steelhead—your committee has probably talked about those—or whether it's interior Fraser coho.
Mr. Hardie talked about a precautionary principle application on Fraser River coho that took place more than 20 years ago. The recreational fishery was brought down to a less than 3% exploitation rate on those fish. They still haven't shown any signs of recovery.
Closing down fisheries isn't going to work. Making more chinook salmon available to whales through the application of hatcheries and focus predator control is what's going to work.