Evidence of meeting #131 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was fishermen.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chair  Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)
Dave Moore  Fisher, As an Individual
James Lawson  Fisher, As an Individual
Ryan Edwards  Fisher, As an Individual
Arthur Black Sr.  Owner, Marlson Industries Ltd.
Carl Allen  Fisher, As an Individual
Michael Barron  Fisher, As an Individual
Melanie Sonnenberg  President, Canadian Independent Fish Harvester's Federation

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Melanie Sonnenberg President, Canadian Independent Fish Harvester's Federation

Thank you.

Thank you to the committee members for the opportunity to appear today.

I'm here today as president of the Canadian Independent Fish Harvesters' Federation. The federation represents more than 14,000 licensed small business owners, with 30,000-plus crew members, working in our country. They produce more than $3 billion in landed value and generate over $5 billion in exports. Our membership includes two organizations representing owner-operator fleets in British Columbia.

I also serve as general manager of the Grand Manan Fishermen's Association, representing 90 inshore fishing enterprises, with a membership of more than 220 harvesters in my home community of Grand Manan, New Brunswick.

My comments today reflect the federation's policies and also my almost 40 years of experience living in a vibrant east coast community, where the fishery has provided livelihoods to many generations of fishing families.

Fishing has always been hard work in a challenging environment.

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NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Ms. Sonnenberg, excuse the interruption, but the bells are now ringing. I just need to ask the committee for unanimous consent to continue.

Do I have unanimous consent to continue for 15 minutes?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Okay. Thank you very much.

Continue.

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President, Canadian Independent Fish Harvester's Federation

Melanie Sonnenberg

Fishing has always been hard work in a challenging environment, and harvesters did not always earn good incomes. But over many years, harvester organizations have worked diligently to conserve and protect our fish stocks, to improve safety practices and to put in place a co-management system that gives harvesters a strong voice in decision-making and a stake in the overall success of our industry.

In the Atlantic region, the owner-operator and fleet separation policies have largely kept control over the rights to harvest adjacent fish stocks in the hands of independent, community-based small businesses. As a direct result, the decade-long surge in global demand for our seafood products has brought solid, middle-class incomes and a new sense of optimism to our communities. We still face challenges to manage our fisheries sustainably and to renew an aging labour force, but we do so with the knowledge that our industry now has a bright future.

Most people attribute the current growth in our east coast fishing economy to lobster, but we are seeing a general improvement in economic returns across all fisheries. DFO data reveal that in the decade after the great recession in Atlantic fisheries, the landed value per tonne of lobster increased by 17%, but groundfish and total shellfish grew close to 70% and pelagic species by 128%. In Atlantic Canada we are seeing a rising market tide that seems to be lifting all boats.

Our members from British Columbia are also seeing increased landed value per tonne in their fisheries, but not to the same extent. There is a strong increase in shellfish, but only limited gains in groundfish and pelagics.

There is, of course, a different species mix in Pacific fisheries, but industry structure also plays a role. Landed value reflects prices paid at the landing site, not necessarily the final value in the marketplace. The people doing the fishing on the water may receive only a fraction of landed value, depending on who owns the licence or quota they are fishing. As well, vertical integration gives companies much greater leverage to suppress the price of fish to the harvesters and to transfer profit-taking to higher levels in the value chain.

The consequences are evident when we compare trends in incomes for fish harvesters. The period since 2000 has seen a steady increase in earnings from fishing employment in most regions of Canada. In 2015, fish harvesters and owner-operator enterprises in Atlantic Canada and Quebec earned incomes comparable to the Canadian workforce, despite the seasonal nature of the fishery.

In British Columbia in 2000, fish harvesters had average incomes well above their peers in the Atlantic; however, by 2015, average after-inflation earnings had fallen by 29% despite generally stable landings and improvements in landed values. Coming out of the 2007-2009 recession, self-employed harvesters in B.C. did see some uptick in after-inflation incomes, but not nearly as much as in the Atlantic provinces.

We see these disparities as a direct consequence of current licensing policies in Pacific region that encourage vertical integration and licence and quota leasing, allowing control of access rights by non-harvesters and forcing active harvesters to pay excessive costs to lease licences and quota to maintain their fishing operations.

The direct consequence is that too many enterprise operators who work on the water and take the financial risks to buy and maintain vessels and gear and to hire and train crew are receiving too small a share of revenues to remain viable, and coastal communities receive less and less economic and social benefit from adjacent marine resources.

It is no wonder that the fishing workforce in British Columbia is the oldest in the country, with falling rates of youth recruitment. An industry offering these career prospects will have great difficulty replacing the 40% of the labour force that is projected to retire out of the industry by 2025.

In holding these hearings, the committee has taken the first step to addressing the sharp disparities between fisheries on Canada's east and west coasts. The critically important task now is to propose changes in DFO licensing policies so that fish harvesters in British Columbia can receive a fairer share of the wealth they produce and that they do benefit from the rapid growth in global seafood markets.

The main message the federation wants to convey today is that after some 30 years of being in effect, the owner-operator and fleet separation policies have created a competitive, economically dynamic and sustainable fishing industry in Atlantic Canada. There are continuing challenges, but the foundations are in place for an industry that can sustain vital coastal and indigenous communities into the future with stable and rewarding employment and solid, middle-class incomes.

As a national organization representing fish harvesters in all regions of Canada, we want to see the same positive future for coastal communities in British Columbia. We urge this committee to recommend to the DFO minister that he initiate a process in concert with industry, community and indigenous stakeholders to develop a new licensing model based on owner-operator and fleet separation principles and adapted to fisheries in the Pacific region.

In my brief that was sent around, I've included a list of our membership so that you can see how varied it is across the country.

I want to thank you for the opportunity to appear here today.

4:55 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Thank you, Ms. Sonnenberg.

Thank you to all of our witnesses.

We have about 10 minutes, if we can agree that we'll continue.

Could I suggest that it be four minutes for questions by the government, four minutes on the opposition side, and if you agree, leave a couple of minutes for the chair to ask a question?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

I was figuring that we'd go to 5:05.

Okay, we'll go three, three, and one.

You have three minutes, Mr. Hardie.

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Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

I have a couple of quick questions.

Mr. Barron, how many boats operate out of your village?

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Fisher, As an Individual

Michael Barron

Out of my village, there are 37.

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Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

There are 37 out of a population of 1,100.

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Fisher, As an Individual

Michael Barron

Out of 1,100.

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Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Wow.

Mr. Allen, is there foreign ownership of licences, quotas and boats in Atlantic Canada?

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Fisher, As an Individual

Carl Allen

It is possible, but how would you know, right?

You have to be able to track that through the money; where does the money comes from?

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Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

But if everybody knows everybody else—

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Fisher, As an Individual

Carl Allen

Everybody knows everybody else. I mean, you could go down to southwest Nova and have a conversation with a couple of particular people, and they could say, “Hey, them 20 boats there are owned by so-and-so, but he just sold out to...we're not sure.”

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Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

So there's a bit of a lack of transparency even on your coast.

Ms. Sonnenberg, how many owner-operators do you think we have left in B.C. who are more or less equivalent to the force in Atlantic Canada?

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President, Canadian Independent Fish Harvester's Federation

Melanie Sonnenberg

We had this conversation a couple of weeks ago with the minister.

The reports on the ground would indicate that there are somewhere between 1,200 and 1,500 truly independents, but it's really difficult to know, given the landscape in British Columbia.

Of course, on the east coast—and I referenced it in my remarks—there are challenges, but the bulk of the people are independent owner-operators, and that is what keeps our coastal communities going.

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Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Great, thank you.

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NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

If that's it, we'll go over to Mr. Arnold.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

This is for Ms. Sonnenberg, because you seem to operate on both coasts.

Are there any challenges for operators on the east coast because of the requirement that the operator has to be on the boat?

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President, Canadian Independent Fish Harvester's Federation

Melanie Sonnenberg

Sorry, I didn't catch the last part.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Are there any challenges because the operator has to be on the boat that is catching the fish?

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President, Canadian Independent Fish Harvester's Federation

Melanie Sonnenberg

Well, there are always challenges when you're a small business owner. There's no doubt of that.

However, for it to work effectively and for us to maintain control over the resource.... I've had many fishermen—and I use that word because it's respectful of our industry—tell me that being on the boat is how you keep control of your cost.

Michael mentioned it in his remarks. He's responsible for things. He's deciding about the risk. All of those things make for a better operation over the course of a business enterprise.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

But are there challenges, and what are they?