They have lower levels of overfishing. For about 30% of it, you can't do bottom trawling. I think it's working to the extent that it possibly can and given the amount of science you would need to actually test to see whether it's working. That's the burden of proof. Often we hear, “prove to us that it's working”. We don't ask our national parks to prove to us that they're working.
I think we'll find out in the next few years how long those national marine monuments also stay in place. It has to be long-term protection.