Yes, I've been there. I've seen it.
That's wonderful. Thank you for coming back to committee.
I'm going to move now to Mr. Pearce.
Mr. Pearce, what do you think, based on the testimony we've heard from other witnesses.... We've heard a number of them say that to have effective ecosystem-based management, where we manage all populations.... This is a typical wildlife management population strategy that all governments use at the provincial level for terrestrial animals. However, the Government of Canada, through its marine mammal protection act, puts marine mammals in a box and takes them out of the ecosystem-based management approach.
If we're able to get back to an ecosystem-based management approach of all species in the food chain, what numbers are we looking at? Where do we need to go to restore some semblance of balance? What should our numbers for seals and our numbers for sea lions be? What would you recommend?