Evidence of meeting #7 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sector.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Guy Forgeron  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Nancy Vohl
Chris Henderson  Deputy Commissioner, Operations, Canadian Coast Guard
Sylvie Lapointe  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fisheries and Harbour Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Dominic Laporte  Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Jen O'Donoughue  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number seven of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the House on May 26, 2020, the committee is continuing its study on the impacts of COVID-19 on fishing industry stakeholders.

Today's meeting is taking place by video conference, for the most part. The proceedings are public and will be made available via the House of Commons website. Just so you are aware, the webcast will always show the person speaking rather than the entire committee.

To ensure an orderly virtual meeting, I would like to outline a few rules to follow.

Interpretation in this video conference will work very much like it does in a regular committee meeting. You have the choice at the bottom of your screen of “floor”, “English” or “French”. As you are speaking, if you plan to alternate from one language to the other, you will need to also to switch the interpretation channel so that it aligns with the language you are speaking. You may want to allow for a short pause when switching languages.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. When you are ready to speak, you can click on the microphone icon to activate your mike. I remind everyone that all comments by members and witnesses should be addressed through the chair.

If a member wishes to intervene for usual committee business or on a point of order that has been raised by another member, I encourage him or her to use the “Raise Hand” function. In order to do so, you should click on “Participants” at the bottom of the screen. When the list pops up, you will see next to your name that you can click “Raise Hand”. That will signal to the chair your interest in speaking and will keep names in chronological order.

When speaking, please speak slowly and clearly. I might be guilty of going a bit too fast myself at times. When you are not speaking, your mike should be on mute, because we get background noise being fed through. The use of headsets is strongly encouraged.

Should any technical challenge arise—for example, in relation to interpretation—or should a problem with your audio arise, please advise the chair immediately, and the technical team will work to resolve the issue. Please note that we may need to suspend during these times, as we need to ensure all members are able to participate fully.

Before we get started, can everyone click on their screen in the top right-hand corner to ensure that they are on gallery view? With this view, you should be able to see all participants in grid view. It will ensure that all video participants can see one another.

Finally, I would like to mention that contrary to a regular on-site meeting, we do not need to suspend after we hear the witnesses and go to committee business that is still in public. We can just wait a few seconds for the witnesses to leave the Zoom meeting, and we are good to continue the meeting without a suspension.

I would now like to introduce the witnesses we have before us virtually today.

From the Canadian Coast Guard, we have Mr. Chris Henderson, deputy commissioner of operations. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, we have Jean-Guy Forgeron, senior assistant deputy minister, strategic policy; Dominic Laporte, assistant deputy minister, human resources and corporate services; Sylvie Lapointe, assistant deputy minister, fisheries and harbour management; and Jen O'Donoughue, assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer.

Mr. Forgeron, I believe you're going to speak for the group. You'll have six minutes.

I remind everybody, both speakers and questioners, that I will be very strict on time. I'll cut in if you're going over your allotted time.

When you're ready, sir, please start.

3:15 p.m.

Jean-Guy Forgeron Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and good morning.

My name is Jean-Guy Forgeron. I'm the senior assistant deputy minister of Fisheries and Oceans Canada. I am responsible for the department's strategic policy sector, which covers economics, indigenous and sectoral policy, international and intergovernmental affairs and communications functions.

Today I am accompanied by Jen O'Donoughue, our assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer; Sylvie Lapointe, assistant deputy minister, fisheries and harbour management; Chris Henderson, deputy commissioner of operations for the Canadian Coast Guard; and Dominic Laporte, assistant deputy minister, human resources and corporate services.

Thank you for the invitation to be here to discuss the impacts of COVID-19 on Canada's fisheries sector.

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Go ahead, Mr. Hardie.

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

I'm sorry to intervene, but the telephone connection for staff is not working. They've just given us a heads-up that they're unable to hear the proceedings.

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Okay. Technical services, is there anything we can do?

We will suspend for just a moment to see what's going on. Thank you.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Mr. Forgeron, when you are ready to go again, please do.

3:25 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Jean-Guy Forgeron

Thank you again, Mr. Chair, for the invitation to be here to discuss the impacts of COVID-19 on Canada's fishing sector. Following my opening remarks, we will be happy to answer any of your questions.

During these unprecedented and challenging times, DFO remains very much at the forefront in managing Canada's fisheries and protecting the marine environment, while the Coast Guard continues to deliver search and rescue services, icebreaking operations, maritime security and environmental response.

Health and safety remain our highest priority at DFO. Those who work in Canada's fisheries, on board Coast Guard vessels or in our operational centres are doing an essential service for Canadians during this critical time.

Our fish and seafood sector is essential to Canada's economy and food security. In 2018, our commercial sea fisheries landed almost 800,000 tonnes of fish and seafood valued at $3.7 billion. However, significant losses are expected across the sector over the coming months as summer fisheries begin. These losses are primarily related to depressed prices at the wharf and are a reflection of the changing demand.

Restrictions to combat the spread of COVID-19 have also resulted in shifts from food service to retail; from fresh to canned, dry or frozen products; and from in-store grocery to online shopping.

While the Government of Canada has delivered economic measures to help individual Canadians and businesses get through the pandemic through the Canada emergency response benefit, the Canada emergency wage subsidy, the Canada emergency business account and a number of other tax credit measures, DFO is working to support the fish and seafood industry adapt to this new reality.

Over the past several months, the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard and DFO officials have been engaging with harvesters, aquaculture producers, processors, indigenous partners and the provinces and territories. What we heard is that while the fish and seafood sector is experiencing virtually the same pressures as other parts of the economy, the impacts are somewhat unique.

For example, there is an accumulation of perishable inventory due to reduced demand for fish and seafood products that are normally marketed to the food service industry. Additionally, products typically sold fresh are being diverted to processing plants, and this is resulting in concerns over processing capacity, especially in light of the physical distancing requirements and other measures that will be required to ensure the safety of workers.

We also heard from the self-employed harvesters that their particular circumstances as small seasonal businesses without waged employees have made it difficult for them to access the wage subsidies and interest-free loans available under the government's broad-based programs.

These discussions have led to a $500-million targeted investment in the fish and seafood sector to ensure that fish harvesters and processors get the support they need to adapt to the current situation. Our goal is to continue to ensure the integrity of Canada's food security while positioning these sectors for a strong recovery.

This investment includes $469 million in funding to establish the new fish harvester benefit and fish harvester grant. The fish harvester benefit will provide up to $267 million in income support for those who cannot access the Canada emergency wage subsidy and who experience losses of 25% or more in 2020. The fish harvester grant has dedicated funding of up to $201 million in non-repayable support to those who cannot access the Canada emergency business account. These funds can be used to cover the costs of running a fishing business, including increases in costs due to health and safety requirements.

In addition, given that earnings may not be enough to allow independent harvesters to claim employment insurance this year, the government is working to ensure that self-employed fish harvesters and share persons will be able to file an EI claim based on previous years' insurable earnings.

This support also includes the $62.5-million Canadian seafood stabilization fund, which will allow the fish and seafood processing sector to increase storage capacity, continue to purchase from harvesters, innovate to meet new market demands and comply with new health and safety measures. Businesses in the fish and seafood processing sector and the organizations that support them are encouraged—

3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Mr. Chair, a point of order, please.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Yes, go ahead.

3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Staff are informing me that the Floor channel is not working.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Mr. Chair, I have a—

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Yes, we have a point of order that a floor line is not working. Can we get that checked on, Nancy?

3:30 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Nancy Vohl

Absolutely. I am on it already now.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I also have a point of order, Mr. Chair, please.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Go ahead, Mr. Cormier.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Maybe we should ask the staff to just hang up and call back in. Maybe someone just dialled the wrong PIN number or something like that. It has happened before, so maybe we can ask everybody to hang up on the staff side and then call again to see if it is working, because it seems the issue is not resolved, as we have tried for the last 30 minutes.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

I'll ask Nancy to check with the technical people. We'll again have to suspend for a moment to get that rectified.

3:30 p.m.

The Clerk

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. We will do that. We're on it at the moment, and I will make sure to mute everybody during that time.

3:48 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

We'll continue the meeting.

3:48 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

It seems to be working, Madam Clerk.

3:48 p.m.

The Clerk

Thank you.

3:48 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Yes, it is working.

3:48 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Chair, it seems as though everything is working now.

I did stop my timer. There were 49 seconds left.

3:48 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Okay. We'll get started again, hopefully without any more so-called hiccups.

Mr. Forgeron, you have 49 seconds left, almost a minute.