Yes. You could talk to one of the big names—David Schindler, who recently passed away—and he would tell you that originally, before the days of DFO, the office in Winnipeg was full of scientists, and in a matter of years it was full of MBAs and very few scientists. That continues until today.
As has been said, DFO is about fishing first and fish second. We are at such a critical point with our salmon that we cannot afford to have that mentality. It has to be fish first, fishing second.