Evidence of meeting #119 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vessels.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

David Roberts  Manager, Terra Services Inc.
John Roe  Founding Director, Dead Boats Disposal Society
Jacob Banting  Program Coordinator, Clean Marine BC, Georgia Strait Alliance
Benjamin Boulton  Manager, Derelict Vessel Program, Rugged Coast Research Society

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Identifying the owners of vessels has been an ongoing issue that we've heard a fair bit about over time on this committee. How would you recommend cleaning up the system so it's easier to identify an owner, either in terms of the registration process or the identification of the vessel itself? What are we missing? Why is it so hard?

5:50 p.m.

Manager, Derelict Vessel Program, Rugged Coast Research Society

Benjamin Boulton

A big piece of that is the process that the federal government, the Coast Guard, DFO, small craft harbours and Transport Canada implement in order to find the vessel owners.

We're friends with a lot of the communities we work with. We have a rapport we've built with the community and a mutual respect. Finding and locating a vessel owner is a lot easier on our end. I can make two phone calls, whereas it will take weeks through the federal process to identify an owner.

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

What can the vessel manufacturers do? In particular, we get the notion that many of the abandoned vessels on the west coast are pleasure craft, so what can the pleasure craft industry do to basically improve the situation when their product gets to the end of life?

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

I would ask for that answer to be sent in writing, because Mr. Hardie's time has expired. I'm trying to get through the round so that everybody gets to ask questions.

We'll now go to Madame Desbiens for five minutes or less, please.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Mr. Chair, I would like to give the witness the chance to finish his answer.

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

All right.

Go ahead with your answer, Mr. Boulton.

5:50 p.m.

Manager, Derelict Vessel Program, Rugged Coast Research Society

Benjamin Boulton

Pardon me. My translation was not turned on. Was that directed at me?

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Yes.

Go ahead with your answer to the question from Mr. Hardie.

5:50 p.m.

Manager, Derelict Vessel Program, Rugged Coast Research Society

Benjamin Boulton

Mr. Hardie, could you please repeat your question?

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Yes. Ms. Desbiens was giving you the opportunity to answer the question that I asked, and that is, what can the vessel manufacturers do to make the whole process more effective and efficient, especially in terms of identifying who owns a vessel?

5:50 p.m.

Manager, Derelict Vessel Program, Rugged Coast Research Society

Benjamin Boulton

That might be difficult, especially if you're dealing with older community members who aren't necessarily registering their vessels, but identifiers.... Typically, all vessels are required to have a hull identifier number. Now, over time, that number tends to be removed by wear and tear. That would be something that the federal government could look into: mandating some sort of a tracking device, if you will, or a more robust hull identifier number, in order to locate those vessels.

I would disagree that the majority of the vessels we find on the west coast are pleasure craft. About half of the vessels we are removing are ex-commercial fisheries and other commercial vessels on the west coast of Vancouver Island. I'm sure that Mr. Roe and Mr. Banting can speak to that as well.

On the east side, I do know that there are quite a lot of abandoned sailboats. Maybe Mr. Roe can field that question and provide that answer.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

I will continue with you, Mr. Boulton.

I keep coming back to the same question. I represent Quebec, obviously, because I am part of the Bloc Québécois.

Do you communicate with groups similar to yours over in Quebec?

5:50 p.m.

Manager, Derelict Vessel Program, Rugged Coast Research Society

Benjamin Boulton

At this moment, we do not. We are focused on boots-on-the-ground removals, and we are in the peak of the field season right now. If we can find extra time, I'd love to, but unfortunately my days are packed.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Is there a witness who might have any kind of contact with representatives in Quebec on this issue?

5:50 p.m.

Founding Director, Dead Boats Disposal Society

John Roe

No, not at the moment.

To speak to that subject and that sort of thing, I just got back from a trip for a couple of weeks on the Rideau River. When I was out there, I got pulled over by the RCMP, the OPP and their natural resources people. In Ontario, as in Quebec, the licensing of pleasure craft is managed by the province itself. If I did not have the certification of the vessel and my driver's licence.... Insurance is not mandatory, but they do ask for it if you want to pull into a marina.

In B.C., I've been trying to lobby our provincial government to take that responsibility, just for pleasure craft, to where it's more easily managed. If you're going to get your driver's licence, you register your boat at the same time, and whatever procedures we need to put in to do safety checks.... In Washington state, before a vessel goes in the water and gets insured and plated, it has to pass a safety inspection, and that's done by voluntary groups down in Washington state.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

That means we are somewhat ahead in Quebec when it comes to this.

5:55 p.m.

Founding Director, Dead Boats Disposal Society

John Roe

They're always way ahead, yes.

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Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

That is good news.

I have only a few seconds left. I would like to know what Mr. Banting has to say; we have not heard from him.

Do you have any information on Quebec regarding this matter, Mr. Banting?

5:55 p.m.

Program Coordinator, Clean Marine BC, Georgia Strait Alliance

Jacob Banting

With Quebec, no, I have nothing there.

I would reiterate what John was saying, to follow suit in how they're doing it down in Washington state. One thing is that we could have better registration and stamps on hulls—whether or not you have to get a new sticker annually—but we also have to think about enforcement. Whether those boats are actually being checked while they're on the water is a whole other game there.

I'm sorry. That doesn't really answer the question about Quebec.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Thank you, Madame Desbiens.

We now go to Ms. Barron for five minutes or less, please.

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Thank you, Chair.

My biggest task in this question period is getting all of the incredible wealth of information that we have from the three witnesses in a short period of time.

Thank you and welcome to the witnesses who are here. I'm so happy that my colleagues are hearing from you today all the information that you have to provide.

My first question is for Mr. Banting. You mentioned the certification program Clean Marine BC. Can you tell us a little more about what that looks like?

5:55 p.m.

Program Coordinator, Clean Marine BC, Georgia Strait Alliance

Jacob Banting

It's a voluntary eco-certification program. Currently, we have 44 certified facilities, from harbour authorities to yacht clubs, marinas and boatyards. It's a three-year audit process based on an anchor rating system, just to see where the facilities' environmental best practices are at. We give them a score every three years and they hold that certification. We check everything from dock materials to waste conception and energy, and then we help these facilities build their goals and reach those goals. It can be little things, such as “Our goal is to remove creosote pilings within the next five years,” all the way down to lighting systems. It's a vast program, which we're looking to expand and to have those facilities help educate boaters as well.

One of our facilities has a unique recycling program, at Shelter Island Marina & Boatyard on the Fraser River. Their boat recycling is completely contained, and they do their best to recycle all the materials coming out. Any water that's washing down into their drainage system is contained, filtered and then reused for power washing there.

It's about finding more incentives for facilities and, hopefully, promoting what they have to other boatyards and continuing that work, but it's also speaking to them about what's working or not working. We're hearing that, say, 10 boaters per week call to have their boat recycled, and when they hear the cost maybe three of them recycle it. Depending on the materials, it can range from $100 to $1,000 per foot, so the list...it grows there on the cost.

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Thank you, Mr. Banting.

Can you tell us a bit more about Washington state? You used that as an example for us to look at, an example of doing things properly or an example of how things are going well. Can you tell us a bit more about that, please?