Yes, we've seen some recent examples of where that science...even the sport fishing advisory board, which was tasked in the sixties to really work with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to give good science and good data year after year after year. I even asked the minister in this committee if she would listen to them and she said she would. Then they just recently came out with this decision that they were going to close the fishery anyway, even though there were fish in this certain time period that would not affect threatened stocks, etc.
We see this, their knowing the science yet still making their own political decisions.
Dr. Riddell, I would ask a similar question. We talked about it before, but you've been around the salmon issue—and I see your grey hair, so I don't want to say too many decades—but you've been around for a while—