Then the biomass is tumbling, and everybody agrees on that, but they continue the fishery.
Ms. Giffin, could you comment? Often we'll get the comment, and Martin alluded to it briefly, from fishers whose sightings are contrary to what's said to be the state of the biomass. They're saying that there are ample fish out there. Could you briefly comment, as a scientist and from a science perspective? How do you rationalize the difference between what fishers are seeing...? The biomass, everybody agrees, has tumbled, so the stock in not there, and the science is saying that if specific action is not taken, this is a fishery that could be close to being wiped out.