Evidence of meeting #21 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was process.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Joanne Thompson  Minister of Fisheries
Levesque  Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Williams  Senior Director, Resource Management - Operations, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Wentzell  Regional Director General, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
O'Dea  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

There were no direct public funds transferred to the FFMC.

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

It was capitalized in its origin, and it operates as a commercial Crown corporation. I'd have to do—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

It operated from its original capitalization.

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

It is a self-sustaining financial Crown corporation.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

That's fine. Thanks. That is clear.

Could the department brief this committee on when the decision was made to look into divesting and what was driving that? Was it a lack of interest from stakeholders? What was it?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

As members mentioned previously, we were hearing directly from harvesters that the corporation was no longer meeting their needs, and as provinces withdrew from this market structure—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Was it the fish harvesters who were requesting the divestiture?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

It was the fishers and the provinces, looking at the changing marketplace in and of itself to have a sole responsible authority for that corporation.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

How was the changing marketplace impacting it?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

It went from the idea of creating.... You had an open market where the feeling was that fishers could achieve higher returns by selling on the open market versus going through the monopsonic structure of the FFMC.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Were they bound to go through the FFMC?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

Originally, as signatories were there, that was the prime vehicle for sales. There were other—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Then fishers were constrained by that organization. Maybe they could have received better returns for their product outside of it, but legally they could not. Is that what you're telling this committee?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

As the market conditions changed, fishers started looking at other opportunities that could be available and did not want to put their money into—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Is it fair to tell this committee that this corporation is no longer serving the best interests of fishers and that, in fact, it could be a negative for them? Am I assuming correctly?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

At this point, given that the provinces I mentioned have withdrawn, which represent the bulk of the inland fisheries in this country, and the economic—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

What were the provinces' reasons for withdrawing?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

The fishers preferred open market access and that—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Did the provinces respond to the fishers' request?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

Removing their participation and leaving the FFMC enabled participation in the open market instead.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Okay. As a member of Parliament from the east coast, which is very different, this is news to me. We're debating a structure that the provinces no longer support and that fishers—from what I'm picking up from you—do not support as well, so they want it divested.

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

Indeed. This is the result. We started the transformation exercise in 2017 after the withdrawal of Manitoba that year. In looking at the outcomes, recommendations were brought forward, and there were engagements directly with harvesters and with the provinces and territories.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

What assets would be available for disposal, in general terms?

11:50 a.m.

Interim Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kaili Levesque

There is some processing capacity. I can't speak to the specifics because it is part of the divestiture piece. You can see in their corporate plans that there are a small number of assets, but it is more about marketing.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Is the department actually listening to the fishers involved and responding to their request?