I could give my personal judgment on that, which is worth the exact amount I'm going to charge the committee for it.
For North Korea, I think they see it as a way of survival. For Iran, I think it's a weapon of prestige.
On June 13th, 2006. See this statement in context.
Ambassador and Chairman, Bipartisan Security Group, Middle Powers Initiative
I could give my personal judgment on that, which is worth the exact amount I'm going to charge the committee for it.
For North Korea, I think they see it as a way of survival. For Iran, I think it's a weapon of prestige.
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