Thank you.
Mr. Wrzesnewskyj is also going to ask a couple of questions at the end.
Thank you very much for being here.
Since I didn't get a chance to say this on the last round, in my 13-year experience with the Parliamentary Centre and with the IDRC, I believe that the taxpayer gets enormous value for money in what your organizations do. I have had a chance to see intimately what both of your groups do. I really think that we get a big bang for the buck, and I would just encourage you to keep doing what you're doing.
I have a follow-up on the last question that I had, and I'd like your opinion on this. I really think if we're looking at developing low-income countries, and we're looking at the gross and heinous abuses by leaders against their people—and there is a long litany that you know as well as I—I firmly believe that we need a legal framework on which to prosecute leaders who are engaging in the equivalent of economic genocide in their countries.
I want to take Angola as an example, because there is a narrow window of opportunity to work there just because of the oil surpluses that are there and the abject poverty that exists. So I would really be interested in your views on whether we need to work with other countries in order to develop a rules-based mechanism for prosecuting leaders who are engaged in the wholesale economic pillaging of their countries.
I have a second question. I just got off a plane from the U.S. a couple of hours ago. I believe that we really need to do a much better job of working with other countries at a governmental level and also at an NGO level—this is where I think your groups come into play—in terms of creating cross-border relationships that can develop a critical mass upon which one can affect public policy. I'm very interested in your views on the role you think Canada can play, and particularly organizations like both of yours, in terms of developing that cross-border critical mass to affect public policy.