We have not been big users of the intern program. I recall, though I will have to check and get the information for you, that some years ago in some of the work we were doing on new technologies, we had an intern working in our South African office. I will have to check on that. We have our own stagiare programs, particularly for people who are doing doctoral dissertations with us. So we haven't been a big user of that program.
On your second question, with reference to how do you do the trade-off, I guess I would ask if there is indeed a trade-off. I'm not sure there is a trade-off between the advancing democracy and dealing with particular needs in countries. In fact, as countries become more open and transparent, usually at the same time you see an increasing investment being made in health, in education, in those areas that are crucial for people to improve their lives.
On the question of political agenda, sometimes there are extremely important political agendas that involve all agencies of government. I would think a good example would be the questions posed about how is it that all Canadian agencies can work together to provide some kind of support for any kind of movement on improved situations in the Middle East. So IDRC has supported Canada in its role as gavel of the refugee working group that came out of the now almost forgotten Oslo peace process on the issue of refugees, and has supported a joint research by Syrians, Jordanians, Israelis, Lebanese. It sounds impossible to say that today, but indeed that work has been extremely useful. So yes, one can say that is a major political agenda.
One could also say that the work that has gone on in a country like Cuba some years ago, where IDRC supported really the first work that made it possible, gave opportunities to economists who had previously only been trained in Marxist economics to actually be trained in other than Marxist economics. One could say yes, at a very high level, one can say that's a political agenda. But really it is helping to connect them with the rest of the world.