I think it's fundamental—especially, as I said, with these extreme fundamentalist views, where there doesn't seem to be middle ground—that the separation of religion from the running of the state is absolutely important.
But in places like Iraq, I think there has to be a cessation of violence before anything can happen. In my opinion, you can't begin to start on.... These are relatively sophisticated approaches, which require commitment and a certain atmosphere of willingness to develop your own country and your own society. You can't do that where the society itself is in complete turmoil.
I think the security issues in Iraq are paramount. They have to be dealt with first, before any progress can be made.
And then, my own personal opinion is that the separation of the church and state would be the next step. And then, perhaps, the society can move forward very incrementally, putting some very basic building blocks into place, such as the rule of law—just those basic concepts, and the basic concept, other than of picking up a gun and settling disputes, of there being some place else to go to settle them, whether it's village-based or a more formally-based court system.
But having people accept that there is another way to solve disputes than violence is very fundamental before any of this becomes relevant.