Evidence of meeting #10 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was obhrai.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Randolph Mank  Director General, Asia South and Pacific Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
John F. G. Hannaford  Director General and Deputy Legal Adviser, , Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Peter McGovern  Director General, Bilateral Commercial Relations, Asia and Americas, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Adèle Dion  Director General, Human Security and Human Rights Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Angela Crandall

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

You told me that.

So I say in this particular instance that the reference to the joint committee be taken out completely, that we don't meet with them, and that we do meet, but we call John Manley and all the members of the independent panel as well as the Ministers of National Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Cooperation, adding further witnesses—I have to emphasize “adding further witnesses”—to provide their perspective on this report.

Now, let me say this, Mr. Patry, and to my colleagues on the other side. We are studying Afghanistan. The defence committee was not, but we are. It's part of the report on our side here. So it is important for us to get that perspective in there, both from the ministers and.... It seems to me a little thin that throughout last year, when Mr. Patry was the vice-chair, if I'm not mistaken, they kept saying they wanted ministers, they wanted to hear....

Now we have an opportunity here. It does not matter whether you agree or you disagree with the Manley report or what the report recommends or what it does. But it provides us with the opportunity to ask questions of everyone and to get a broader perspective on it. I am more interested that if we are going to put an Afghanistan report out there that it listen to everyone. If I recall correctly, Mr. Dewar was a little upset when he did not get his NGOs to talk about Burma because they did not think the Burma report was a complete report.

Using the same argument, we imply over here that we listen to everyone, the ministers and everything. So I am asking that this motion be amended following this and that the foreign affairs committee call Mr. Manley as part of our report, to be involved in our report.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

I think you're probably correct, given what's going on over there. You basically are asking for the same thing, other than that you're no longer meeting jointly. So the amended motion is in order.

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Call the vote on the amendment to delete the first paragraph.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

All right. Do we have an agreement to allow him to amend the first paragraph of it, and then we'll vote on the amendment to the motion?

(Amendment agreed to)

Now I'm going to allow Mr. Obhrai to speak to his motion and we will have debate on the motion.

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

I don't know why.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

You were speaking to your amendment. Now I'm giving you the opportunity to speak...as amended.

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An hon. member

Read your motion.

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

It's the same thing.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Okay, if you choose not to speak, we would all welcome that as well. I notice your own colleagues are even nodding.

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

Listen, my arguments stay the same as what I just gave, as to why we want to do it. And I think we will. So I agree, and you can call the question.

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

No, we need to discuss it before calling the question.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Did you want to talk?

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Sure, I want to talk.

You need to be realistic, Deepak. You asked us to meet with Mr. Manley and all the members of the independent panel, the Ministers of National Defence, Foreign Affairs, CIDA, and many others. Do you want to have just Mr. Manley, the minister with Mr. Manley, or just Mr. Manley with his panel? That's the first question on the first paragraph.

Now, on the second paragraph, you have that these deliberations need to be on a Tuesday and a Thursday between 3:30 and 5:30 in the afternoon.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

That has been—

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

No, no. You just told us that Mr. Manley was not available on Tuesday and Thursday.

January 31st, 2008 / 5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

No, what I'm saying here is—

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

No, no. We haven't touched this paragraph yet. You touched a little bit on—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

No, this wasn't taken out, right? It would read, “And that the joint committees—”

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

No, we didn't take it out. We just took out the first paragraph, that the Standing Committee on National Defence—

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

Sorry, we have taken it out.

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

No, we didn't. We're going step by step.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

No, he amended it without reading, that—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

I didn't read it, but we've taken it out.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If you didn't read it, I cannot take it out. I voted on the first paragraph, that the Standing Committee on National Defence—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

When did you become a bureaucrat, my friend?