That's okay. I just wanted to say that.
I just wanted to tell you, Monsieur, that this goes back many years ago to when I was chair of the committee. At the time, we came out with what I thought was a very good report, and Mr. Martin came out with these round tables. As you said, the round tables were unanimous. The mining industry agreed with the round tables.
What has happened since is that we have changed governments, and the government has come out with the idea of having a counsellor. Do you really feel that a counsellor would do anything positive in the sense that because companies would need to get this money they would at least agree to work together? If they had simply created an effective ombudsman, with the power to intervene and investigate, we would not be in this situation today.
I have another question. You talk a lot about things being de facto. You see the companies as being bound de facto by the Equator Principles. But I thought the Equator Principles were a voluntary initiative.