Well, it's curious that you began by talking about governance issues and lack of redress in the countries in which these companies operate. We've just had quite a bit on Haiti, and the line coming from Canada--the correct one, by the way--is that Haiti must take control, that this must be Haitian led, that Haitians' sovereignty is paramount in decisions in Haiti, and that we must follow the will of the government, respect the laws of Haiti, and respect the Parliament and the decisions coming out.
Yet in the case of countries in the hemisphere that arguably have solid legal institutions, that do have elected governments, that do have institutions that respond to elected governments--though perhaps not perfect--the decision is that if we don't like what they're doing, we're just going to ignore that and we're going to tell them what's best: that we in Canada know better in terms of how to run their environment or how to run their labour practices.
There are cases, obviously, with gross human rights violations. The right to protect obviously.... But I think there is a huge difference between reaching that point and some of the charges. Again, the charges that we're hearing.... I've heard so many things coming from NGOs in these communities. Having worked in some of these communities, having been on the ground, having dealt with NGOs--funded them, worked with them--the veracity that is coming out, it's hard to tell sometimes.
We can't take unsubstantiated charges and just move from charge to finding of guilt to imposition of punishment, which is what we're doing with these unsubstantiated charges--