There's been long-term CIDA funding and public service reform and renewal in Ukraine. There are going to be two people coming to your committee to speak about that project. In fact one of the people working on that project will be flying from Kiev to meet with the committee because she wants to have that conversation.
I think it's a very effective project because there are committed Ukrainians there who are supported by their government. They are working with Canadian experts. So there are on-the-ground Canadian experts working with these Ukrainians, who are then implementing.... So some of it becomes fairly mechanical, but if you think of implementing a classification system so you know what everybody in your organization is doing and what level they should be paid at--and they should be paid on the basis of the work they do rather than on the basis of whom they know or what political connection they have--that's a huge task. To do that in the public service we have young Ukrainians who want to reform and speak both languages. Canadians go there and work with them, and the changes are occurring.
It takes time. We have ups and downs. Sometimes when it looks as though something is really going well, something will come up and it will slow down. But significant progress is being made, and I think you'll have an interesting discussion with the people who are working on that project. It's a very interesting model.