Yes.
How you get started is on two levels. There have been various efforts to develop inventories of public servants who are interested in doing the work. A lot of people ask me because I've been around for a long time and I know a lot of people. I know the people who are leaving and I know what their interests are. But that will get stale-dated fairly quickly.
An association like APEX has done some of the work. People like Jocelyne Bourgon, a previous Clerk of the Privy Council, and David Holdsworth, the person I quoted, have at various times done something like this. You have those organizations that could do that inventory of your retirees and what their interests are.
I see that it's the government side that has to--either through a plan or a strategy--and again, not very big, but sort of say, “Where are the places where we, as a government, think we should be doing this?” It's that kind of matching that has to occur.
To actually then take it to the next step, there has to be an agreement on both sides in terms of, yes, what I would like and what we think we can productively offer.
Some of the discussions that we have had with the Mongolian prime minister.... He's keen on having a public service that operates like the Canadian public service. Well, it took us a hundred years and it's not going to happen overnight.
What is it we can do to begin to operationalize some of the grand ideas? Canadians are very pragmatic. They're good at taking a whole bunch of different ideas and things that look like there might be disconnects and making them work and making them move forward.
That's the real value in having those discussions and saying, “To solve these problems, these are some of the things you need and we can help you get there. Now you give us some people to work with.” I think the real models are where you have the collaborative work, working together, so it's not a matter of writing a report, dropping the report, and walking out.