Just very briefly to add to what Ms. Wittfooth has said, in this particular project and in previous initiatives that CBIE has been involved in, we do take it to the point of bringing laws forward or bringing forward other legal normative acts. The work begins at the stage of policy development, but ultimately you want to see tangible products.
One of the interesting things—and you raised it initially in your question—is whether it makes sense to engage politicians or others beyond just the governance piece, in terms of the public sector institutions. Are there needs? Does it make sense? I think we would both say yes, very much so.
If you were to take the civil service project as an example, one of the challenges our Ukrainian partner has faced, as I mentioned, is five years of lobbying and facilitating public dialogue around the need for a new legal framework for the civil service.
As regards the public service, there isn't a public servant or a Ukrainian citizen who hasn't heard about the draft law on the civil service. The challenge has been more on the parliamentary side in terms of building understanding among parliamentary deputies about why this is important. I think there Canada certainly could contribute.
I think through more regular contact—things like the Canada-Ukraine parliamentary association, etc.—dialogue could be facilitated around these issues to really reinforce the importance of governance and of those very significant institutional aspects. This is one area where our project could benefit immensely from that kind of input.