Evidence of meeting #7 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was president.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Micheline Lévesque  Vice-President, Union of Employees of Rights & Democracy, Public Service Alliance of Canada
Maxime Longangué  President, Union of Employees of Rights & Democracy, Public Service Alliance of Canada
Razmik Panossian  As an Individual
Marie-France Cloutier  As an Individual
Charles Vallerand  As an Individual

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Madame Cloutier, how long have you been with the organization?

12:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Marie-France Cloutier

For nine and a half years. I was there before the walls were put up.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

So you've been with it from the beginning.

You told Mr. Abbott, in response to a question from him, that you were under a doctor's care.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

And that you advised Mr. Gauthier of that....

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Marie-France Cloutier

In fact, I was on sick leave when Mr. Gauthier was appointed. So I never worked under his authority. I was suspended, then dismissed while I was on sick leave.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Let me just repeat that in English. You are a 20-year employee of the organization who was on medical leave, and during the time you were on medical leave, you were put on suspension, and then you were fired.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Marie-France Cloutier

Yes, and I learned all that through a process server.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

That's unbelievable.

If I may just say so, for the record, I think that's an absolutely disgraceful way to treat a long-term employee. I can't countenance an organization, let alone an organization calling itself Rights and Democracy, that would treat an employee in that way. To me it's unconscionable.

Mr. Panossian, I think you said you were there for six years.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Razmik Panossian

I started at Rights and Democracy in November 2003, and I assumed the position of director in September 2004.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

How many senior directors are there in the organization?

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Razmik Panossian

There are three of us; two until Charles joined.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

In the pecking order or the hierarchy of the organization, you report directly to Mr. Beauregard.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Razmik Panossian

Yes, the two number twos of the organization were Marie-France and I.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

So you were the two numbers twos.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

You were there for six years. After Mr. Beauregard passed away, you were then fired.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Razmik Panossian

Yes, it was the same procedure. I was suspended the same day as Madame Cloutier was suspended and then fired by bailiff the same day that Madame Cloutier was fired.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

You were fired by bailiff?

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Razmik Panossian

Well, the letter arrived by bailiff. It was put in my mailbox, which said that I was fired.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

I'm sorry, I'm just a little bit stunned by the way this organization operates.

Can you explain to me...? I mean, you were hired by Mr. Beauregard, is that right?

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Razmik Panossian

No, I was hired when Mr. Jean-Louis Roy was president.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

But you were hired by the president.

Razmik Panossian

Yes, of course.

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Were you interviewed by the board for the position?