The strength of the Devonshire Initiative is that it's bringing the development NGOs and the extractive sector together to talk about development. Those conversations, to think about this poverty reduction aspect on a much higher level, were not occurring five years ago.
The industry had been involved with development NGOs, but more on a consulting basis to help work on either engagement or specific development projects.
What we're seeing borne from those conversations are the projects the minister announced most recently—the tripartite-type projects involving the Government of Canada, development NGOs, and the private sector to work on issues in those countries beyond the gates of the mine and to look at greater outcomes in terms of development. That's a really interesting outcome from the conversations between those two parties that weren't occurring five years ago.