Thank you very much.
And again, thank you, gentlemen, for being here.
I would like to go back to something my colleague said about the reduction of poverty. Every Canadian wants to see the reduction of poverty around the world; we just approach it from a different philosophical strain.
I read the book by Dambisa Moyo, Dead Aid. You've obviously both seen that. I'll ask you to comment on it, if you would.
We know that since the end of the Second World War—and we'll use Africa as an example because it's a continent that everybody has sympathetic feelings for—$1.23 trillion has gone into Africa, and yet we have not generated the kind of change that we would want to see or alleviated the kind of poverty that we think should have come with that kind of an investment. As Ms. Moyo says, first of all, we should be giving clear-cut deadlines for use of the aid dollars. She puts a five-year timeline on it and says if you can't start building capacity in that time, you're not doing things right.
We don't want to condemn people to becoming welfare states. We need to see them move out of that. I wonder if you could both comment on how your organizations—and I'm particularly interested in what's happening with the chambers of commerce—are providing that mentorship to entrepreneurial people in countries around the world who are getting aid from us to help them build out of capacity.
I heard what you in particular said, Mr. Sullivan: they're not going back to the old ways because they're making demands of their national governments to put the structures in place. The lights have gone on when they've started to build these structures.
Do you have any comments?