Under enormous pressure from a number of groups, that company folded up their tents and went home, and today the Chinese have filled that gap.
The reason I say this is that we must recognize that extraction is going to happen. We must recognize also that the idea of companies using what we call a “social conscience”, a new term that's developed in the last 20 years possibly, is something new, and it has been evolving. I would argue that it has been evolving at a very positive trend.
The other thing I would argue is that free societies like ours and yours do a much better job at developing resources and making a positive contribution to society.
The other thing that I think needs to be pointed out is that we often forget, coming from Europe, how civilizations are carved out. We don't forget that here in North America, because we see the wilderness, the hinterlands, and we see how the loggers came in first and were followed by the settlers and then, after the roads had been built, by industry. That's a normal procedure. I think what we've experienced in North America is being experienced today in a lot of the third world countries. Fortunately, the countries and the nations that have the greatest control demand that we do it at a level that is beneficial to those in those third world countries.
Having said that, I just want to remind you exactly what we're doing here. How can we, as a government—foreign affairs, in this particular case—help other countries? We all agree around this table that we want to better the lives of the people in those third world countries. What is the best way to do that?
Would you agree that the free societies—and notably, I think, Canada—are in a much better position to do that than societies that don't have that freedom? I speak specifically of China.