Science, science, science. Right now, at this point, it's science. There is some investment that they have made in Canadian companies or multinational companies that are sometimes layers deep. You need to do some digging to find out where some of this ownership is happening in the 21st century world. There are interests, but for the most part, having been to China, having received Chinese delegations as part of a group of Canadian academics, their overarching message is an interest in climate change. They've got capacity.
For China, this is also about prestige politics. China sees itself as moving up in the world. If the western world is telling China that the Arctic is the place to be and it's going to be important in the 21st century, and China then repeats that back to us, and then western commentators get all nervous talking about China's Arctic ambitions, this is the cart leading the horse. In many respects here, it's sending very clear messages to China to make sure they realize their interests are confined to that doughnut hole, that open space that's beyond national jurisdiction.
In that particular case, the Chinese hopefully will be reasonable. How much of a revisionist actor China is going to be in terms of international law remains to be seen.