The human rights situation of course is terrible. You can convey certain Canadian concerns, as we do in the Human Rights Council in Geneva, as I've done, but that only gets you so far. The denuclearization question is probably the most frustrating. When I say to the Chinese, “Kim Jong-un, this guy with the bouffant pressing a red button—you guys are okay with it?”, you just get nothing from the Chinese.
We've gone up and down with promises of light water reactors, the whole KEDO, Korea energy development organization, that wanted to give nuclear energy to the North Koreans if they could stop their weapons program. We've been through that several times. I do not foresee any scenario, unfortunately, at this time, where the North Koreans can say, “Yes, we're giving control to the IAEA, not a problem, and we'll get out of the weapons program”. It's their ace in the hole.
One of the frustrations is that the North Korean military perhaps even believe that North Korean nuclear weapons are keeping the Americans from invading. We're just not going to be able to get through. There are going to have to be a lot of geopolitical, geostrategic discussions before we are able to maybe broach those sorts of subjects. I'm told even the Chinese military have a hard time talking to the North Korean military.
It's a big, big challenge.