Thank you for your question. It's a very important one.
If you look at polling data, I think the most reliable polling that's done in the United States is being conducted by the Pew Forum. They've done very interesting polling data on how Muslims in the Arab world feel about apostasy, for example, or how they feel about cutting hands, or about some of these kinds of punishments and penalties that we consider barbaric. What's very interesting to me is the large percentage of people who were surveyed, the respondents, who favour these policies.
To answer your question, I don't know what the solution is and how we get there but I think that we have to understand, as you point out, that we need to help Arab societies develop a different form of governance that is somewhere between Islamic extremism and dictatorship, because these are the two sort of polar opposites that have been competing for power for 30 years now. As we've seen, during different times one form of these governances triumphs over the other.
In Egypt now, there's a very repressive government that is far more repressive than anything that happened under the Muslim Brotherhood or even former President Mubarak. Conversely we have a situation in both Syria and Iraq where you have extremist Islamic groups at least governing some parts of these countries.
I think that one way the west can be instructive is to try to help—and I hate to use this word—moderate Muslim leaders, people, and civil society think about other forms of governance that would work in those societies. It's not democracy as we know it and it's not the caliphate for most people. Part of that is education.
I want to briefly comment about education in answer to the previous question. It's just a thought. There's been a big movement in Europe now to educate religious scholars who are born in Britain or France. There has been a very effective program here in the United States which started 10 years ago that is now affiliated with the University of California, Berkeley, where there's a seminary now to train religious scholars who are Americans. I think this is very important when we get to the issue of foreign fighters, because it's important—