First of all, if my honourable colleague had been at the meeting this morning he would not have used the word “attacking”. I was trying to be very constructive and to say that we think we can achieve a bill that still respects the government's intent and yet clarifies it.
Second, certainly in my experience, and I don't have as much in committee as you, once we've heard from these experts—and we have heard from them, some I have seen several times in the course of the last month—there comes a point where we, the members of the parliamentary committee, it would seem to me, should be able to argue our positions. Otherwise, we're always deferring. We are met by stony silence with the simple exception of your saying “I defer to the experts”. That is certainly not my concept of how clause-by-clause discussions of amendments should occur.