Evidence of meeting #12 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was iraq.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Valerie Percival  Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual
Yanar Mohammed  President, Baghdad Headquarters, Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Robert Nault (Kenora, Lib.)) Liberal Bob Nault

Given that it's 3:30 and much later in Mozambique, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and our study of women, peace, and security, I thought it would be appropriate if we started with Valerie Percival. She is an assistant professor of international affairs with the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University, and she's in Maputo, Mozambique. I don't know what time it is there but I think it's very late.

I thought we would let Valerie go first, and then, Yanar, you'll go second. Then we'll get into questions by the committee.

Welcome to both of you. Let me start by turning the floor over to Valerie for her comments.

3:30 p.m.

Valerie Percival Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Thank you very much for this invitation. I'm grateful that the House of Commons Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development is undertaking this review of the women, peace, and security agenda. More than 15 years after the UN Security Council adopted resolution 1325 in 2000, this is an opportune moment to reflect on progress, challenges, and opportunities.

Today I will make four main points and provide four recommendations on actions that Canada can undertake in this important area.

First, the evidence is unequivocal. Countries where the social, economic, and political rights of women are recognized, respected, and promoted are more peaceful, more prosperous, and better places for everyone to live.

Research also shows that gender equality is not only about social development. It is an important and underutilized peace-building tool. Given the current context of massive displacements and gross violations of human rights in contemporary conflicts, it is a tool that the international community must implement. Yet how countries transition to become more gender equal, and the role of the international community in promoting that process, is not easy or straightforward.

While the engagement of outside actors can be critical, for sustainable progress to be made, leadership must come from within a country and community, and that leadership must include both men and women.

Second, while UN Security Council resolution 1325 was critical for drawing attention to the differential impact of conflict on girls and women, the objectives of both the initial and follow-up resolutions have not been met.

The women, peace, and security agenda has four broad goals: protect women and girls from human rights violations during conflict and prosecute offenders; promote the participation of women and girls in peace negotiations in the security sector; prevent violence against women and girls, particularly sexual and gender-based violence; and ensure that relief and recovery efforts acknowledge and address the differential impact of conflict on women and girls.

Some progress has been made. More peace agreements include references to conflict-related sexual violence. The number of women involved in the security sector has increased. Militaries are encouraged to prevent and take action against sexual and gender-based violence. Special protection units have been established in multiple police forces in conflict-affected states. The UN includes women protection advisers in peacekeeping missions, and gender advisers are incorporated into each UN-led humanitarian operation. Funding proposals must incorporate a gender marker that codes projects on their efforts to promote gender equality.

Yet many of these initiatives have often been superficial measures not fully implemented, only providing the international community with the ability to check the box. Gross violations of the human rights of women and girls continue even within UN peacekeeping missions.

Sexual and gender-based violence remains widespread in conflict settings, and the impact of sexual and gender-based violence on boys and men is only slowly being recognized.

Third, for the women, peace, and security agenda to succeed it must be about more than checking the box. It must work to create the conditions for gender equality.

The approach of the women, peace, and security agenda, as with other international initiatives such as the millennium development goals and the sustainable development goals, is like a Trojan Horse. We believe that if countries meet certain indicators and check those boxes, such as women in the police and military, women in peace negotiations, and health services for survivors of sexual violence, we will by stealth have created gender equality.

This approach is necessary but not sufficient. While these are all positive initiatives, women and girls in conflict-affected states are seen as passive recipients of decisions made by others rather than active agents that are encouraged and supported to promote social change within their societies. For example, resolution 1325 and follow-up resolutions view the health sector as an institution that provides a service to women to repair the damage from sexual violence or provide health care during childbirth, not as an institution that should be engaged in the broad societal efforts to promote gender equality.

Fourth, the promotion of the rights of women and girls has not been easy in any context, and it is not only the responsibility of women. When I was a child, I watched the adoption of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms and was horrified by how women advocating for their equal rights to be enshrined in and protected by the charter were vilified and bullied.

Much worse happens to advocates for gender rights in conflict-affected and fragile contexts. These advocates must be actively provided with financial and diplomatic support, as well as training to heighten their effectiveness.

Men must also be actively included in efforts to promote gender equality and encouraged and supported in their efforts to create safer and more equal societies. For example, studies show the critical importance of including men and boys within sensitization programs to reduce sexual violence.

Canada played an important role in the development and negotiation of the original Security Council resolution, and has yet another opportunity to exercise leadership, furthering our engagement in new and innovative ways. I have four overarching recommendations that would enable Canada to fulfill this role.

First is diplomatic leadership and expertise. Global Affairs Canada has recently faced significant criticism for the prioritization of process over substance in policy development and implementation. For the women, peace, and security agenda, the department cannot contract out policy development and thinking or outsource leadership to the United Nations or other multilateral actors. Expertise must come from within the department. Canadian diplomats abroad must show their commitment to the principles and priorities of the women, peace, and security agenda and officials at home must work to integrate these priorities into Canada's projects and programs in fragile states, yet many Canadian diplomats I've met, including women, are wary of discussing gender-based violence or advocating for the rights of women and girls in contexts such as Mozambique, as these subjects are culturally sensitive.

The women, peace, and security file is often sidelined in our stabilization and recovery programming and given to junior officials to oversee and implement. In the effort to protect women and girls in conflict, and the broader fight to build gender equality, every word and action counts. Canadian political leaders and diplomats who exercise leadership and condemn gender-based violence show that the lives of women and girls are valued equally and that the promotion of gender equality is not taboo. They should use every available opportunity to advocate for the protection and promotion of the rights of women and girls, condemn violations of those rights, discuss the value and benefits that a gender-equal society brings everyone, and highlight that the actions of those men and women are critical.

Second is the innovative use of social media and data-gathering. The power of technology to document violations of human rights, which empowers individuals and supports social change, is untapped and has not been sufficiently mobilized to support the women, peace, and security agenda. For example, in Egypt, a group of women created an online site called HarassMap, which documents sexual harassment in Cairo and provides women with tools to cope with such harassment. The possibilities are endless. Information technology can be used to share messages to encourage and support the rights of women and girls, such as crowdsourced information on human rights violations and cellphone gathering of data on sexual violence and other information critical to the implementation of the women, peace, and security agenda. Moreover, social media and information technology can offer important tools to share information about best practices and empower women and girls to protect themselves. Canada could spearhead efforts to utilize information technology in these innovative ways.

Third is the meaningful protection of women and girls and accountability for crimes. As previous witnesses have noted, there is little accountability for sexual violence and other human rights violations during war. Despite international law recognizing sexual violence as a war crime, only a small number of offences are documented, and even fewer prosecuted. Canada could support the efforts of the International Criminal Court to document, investigate, and prosecute these crimes. Canada could also work with relevant multilateral and non-governmental human rights organizations to provide meaningful protection and support for victims of sexual violence.

Fourth is dedicated funding for women, peace, and security activities. This past February the United Nations announced the global acceleration instrument for women, peace, and security and humanitarian action. The objective of this funding instrument is to support the promotion of gender equality within conflict-affected and fragile states, specifically supporting the activities of civil society organizations. Australia, Ireland, Spain, and the United Kingdom have pledged their financial support, and Canada should follow.

But Canada must also have its own flexible and rapid funding mechanism. The Canada fund for local initiatives at embassies and high commissions, once known as the Canada fund, provides small grants that are flexible and effective in supporting civil society organizations. Canada should first increase the allocation of money to this fund, and second, ensure that there is a dedicated funding envelope to support activities related to the women, peace, and security agenda, such as support to civil society research, advocacy, and training; data gathering; and human rights reporting.

In addition, Canada should create a mechanism to provide leadership for civil society members in fragile and conflict states that would include human rights training, sensitization on gender issues, as well as such practical skills as advocacy and negotiation.

In closing, I would like to reiterate that the evidence is clear. Promoting the rights of women and girls is an effective tool for peace building, and there are important opportunities for Canada to further the objectives of the women, peace, and security agenda in innovative and meaningful ways.

I would like to thank you for this opportunity. I look forward to any questions you might have.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Nault

Thank you very much, Ms. Percival. That was very helpful.

I want to go now right to Yanar Mohammed of the Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq for her presentation. Then we'll go to questions.

Yanar.

3:40 p.m.

Yanar Mohammed President, Baghdad Headquarters, Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq

Thank you.

I will address the issue of women's security in Iraq under the current conflict circumstances, which have divided the country into three zones based on religious and sectarian identity, in addition to a previously decided ethnic division. Violence against women in these zones differs in its source and intensity, but has persisted in taking place throughout the recent decade.

The first zone is the ISIS-controlled zone of Mosul, Tal Afar, Hawija, and many other cities, where the Islamic government imposes a situation close to the dark ages in which women are treated as demonized subhumans whose appearance is not desired in public and in which enslavement and sexual violence is a common and regulated practice against many groups: first, against more than 2,500 women of the Yazidi faith—I'm guessing that you have heard some of their testimonies lately—second, wives of men who serve in the Iraqi military, among whom the number who are being enslaved is growing into the thousands; and third, women with no males in the family.

The second zone is the transitional zone between ISIS-controlled zones and Iraqi government zones. The transitional zone includes the areas bordering ISIS zones, where different kinds of violence are imposed against women.

First, there are the crossover routes, such as the Hamrin mountain route, which women and their children cross on foot for the whole night in order to escape ISIS threats of enslavement, from Hawija city and surrounding villages. In this current week, according to our local activists, more than 60 families of mostly mothers and their children escaped on foot to the destination of Rubaidha village on the Iraqi side. ISIS snipers and fighters managed to kill and enslave 20 families, executing the men and some children while enslaving most of the women.

Another crossover route from the ISIS zone is the Bou Hamdan checkpoint through to Kirkuk, where Kurdish security does not allow the Arab women and children access to safety. Families are returned daily to face the same destiny of execution and sexual enslavement under ISIS and in what is called ISIS's “entertainment houses” in their controlled zone.

These routes have witnessed massacres of a fleeing population who are willing to risk their lives in order to escape ISIS oppression and sexual exploitation.

The cities and towns regained from ISIS—and this is also a transitional zone—such as Ramadi city and parts of Anbar have witnessed the enslavement and rape of hundreds of women, who are left pregnant or with a baby. When the tribes of the compromised women return to the city and after the Iraqi army regains the city, the immediate goal of the tribes is to cleanse their honour by killing the violated women. The honour killing practice is still a legal practice in Iraq in spite of 13 years of presumed liberation.

The Iraqi government celebrates the military victories of the army and the tribes, thus letting them have their way in executing their women, whom they fail to protect. Women in this transitional zone are subject to double-fold violence, first from ISIS and then from their own tribe, while the government does not intervene to protect them and to consider them victimized by the enemy.

The third zone is Iraq proper, which is the capital Baghdad, the cities of the south, and small parts of western Iraq, such as the city of Samarra. After the fall of most of the city to the hands of ISIS in June 2014, the Iraqi government mobilized and recruited more than 40 Shia Islamic militias, which are financially supported by public money, in order to overcome ISIS, with a popular front called al-Hashd al-Shaabi, but in reality they are extremist, religious sectarian armed groups.

In a highly militarized scene in which youth are fully armed and carry governmental IDs, Iraqi streets became dangerous places for women and for minorities. It is noteworthy to mention the following.

Honour killings continue to have the legal cover of laws and legal practices, and this is after 13 years of the so-called liberation of Iraq. Forensic institute storages continue to be filled with unclaimed women's bodies, and the legal committee in the Parliament does not address the issue.

Second, trafficking of women in broad daylight—and this is in Iraq proper, not under ISIS—is increasing every year due to extreme poverty, tribal cruelty, and a thriving trafficking network. An anti-trafficking law, number 28, was passed but is not enacted yet. To our knowledge, no traffickers have been detained to date.

The third issue is protection of women in shelters. It is a task of which the government does not approve. Although they have set up formal shelter buildings as a response to international community requests, there is not a single resident in these so-called shelters; moreover, officials from extremist and patriarchal parties threaten all endeavours to shelter women as a socially destructive practice that promotes “immorality”.

The last one is blocking women's rights to citizenship. The extremist government in Iraq refuses to provide females with their citizenship identification papers unless they are accompanied by a male relative. Although there is no legal article pertaining to this effect, it has become a common practice among all the relevant governmental establishments.

As well, there is censorship of feminist voices. When women raise their resisting voices over the radio stations, such as our initiative of Al-Mousawat radio, which means “equality”, the governmental establishment of the commission of media and communications or CMC issues an order for the closing of our radio under the pretext of registration requirements.

Over 13 years our Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq sheltered more than 450 women from honour killing, trafficking, and sexual enslavement. We currently have six locations for sheltering: three in Baghdad, one in Dohuk, one in Samarra, in addition to one for threatened LGBT individuals.

In September 2013 we launched a network for anti-trafficking of Iraqi women, which has attracted more than 40 organizations from the civil society, including women, youth, and human rights organizations.

We believe that it is possible to address our culture and society at large towards better treatment and respect for women; nevertheless, the current extremist Islamic government in Iraq is the main obstacle at this point. We therefore believe that our previous efforts on drafting and passing the Iraqi national action plan can be a potential way of addressing issues of women and security in the future, but not at this moment in history, when the government is not co-operating for the well-being of women.

We need the Canadian government to acknowledge the value of civil society and its potential role in advancing the striving of Iraqi women towards safety and equality.

We also need the meaningful support of the UN Security Council in addressing the Iraqi government on its duty in the following areas.

The first is for the ministry of labour and social affairs to issue a formal statement clarifying the shelter policy and to allow Iraqi NGOs to operate shelters for women and other vulnerable individuals fleeing violence.

The second is to increase support to Iraqi organizations meeting the immediate needs of women and other vulnerable individuals fleeing conflict-related violence, including safe shelter, psychosocial support, medical care, and vocational training.

The third is to ensure funding for and implementation of the Iraqi national action plan for the implementation of UN Security Council resolution 1325 on women, peace, and security and to establish and maintain a system for monitoring the implementation of the NAP or national action plan.

The fourth is to expand current documentation efforts on sexual slavery to include other crimes committed against women, including crimes against women as human rights defenders and based on gender.

The UN agencies in Iraq did not play an adequate role in addressing the issues of women; neither did the governmental facade “ministry of women”, whose role bordered on oppression of women's dress code and freedom of movement, which is understandable for a woman whose allegiance is to her extremist party.

It is time that civil society takes a bigger role and addresses the issues of women's security in a bottom-up direction.

We believe that the women of Iraq can play a better role in shaping the future with the support of the international community and particularly of the Canadian government.

We hope you will find these recommendations informative for your work. In bringing these concerns to your attention, we are lending our support to and pledging our future assistance with efforts that the international community may undertake to remedy the plight of women and girls affected by the conflict in Iraq. To this end, we respectfully request that you consider prioritizing these recommendations in your efforts.

Thank you.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Nault

Thank you very much, Ms. Mohammed.

Colleagues, we'll go right to questions.

We'll start with Mr. Kent.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Thank you, Chair. I'll be splitting my time with Mr. Clement.

Thank you, Madam Mohammed and Professor Percival, for your testimony, for your insight.

I would like to ask my question to Professor Percival to take advantage of the fact that she's on location in a country about which we receive very little continuing news, and given that Canada this week has just cut off government-to-government direct aid, which in recent years has been close to $100 million per year.

I'm wondering, as the Government of Mozambique seems to be slipping backwards—given the testimony of Canada, the IMF, and the other countries that have suspended aid, given their debt of well over one billion dollars in a relatively impoverished society—what you might advise, Professor Percival, in terms of avoiding entirely, in these sorts of governmental situations, government-to-government aid and directing it entirely to delivery through reliable NGOs.

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

Thank you very much.

It is a really timely moment to be in Mozambique. I've been here for two and a half years. When I arrived, Mozambique was seen as the development success story.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Yes.

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

Now, I'm about to leave in a couple of months, and sadly, we have this more than two billion dollars in undisclosed debt. The whole donor community that provides direct budget support to the Mozambican government has just declared that they are suspending it, including Canada. The United States has also indicated that they're going to review their assistance.

What's really interesting about the United States' reviewing their assistance is that most of the individuals who are HIV-positive and who receive antiretroviral treatment do so because of PEPFAR, the President's emergency plan for AIDS relief. If the United States draws down some of those commitments.... The USAID does not provide direct support to the Mozambican government, but even drawing down some of the resources they provide to organizations that give HIV antiretroviral treatment is really worrisome.

In terms of Canada and our engagement in Mozambique, I think that in a way this can present an opportunity for us to engage in a more meaningful way with civil society organizations here. One of the pernicious consequences of direct budget support is that it's very time-consuming for development officials to implement. The Canadian development officials I know here in Mozambique really don't have the time to engage with civil society organizations in the manner that they would have 10 or 15 years ago when this kind of funding mechanism wasn't in place.

One suggestion I outlined concerning the Canada fund for local initiatives—which is operated out of this building, in fact—is that it could support women's organizations in a much more meaningful way.

One final point is that I also think that, with much of the money of Canada and other key donors going into direct budget support, civil society organizations have suffered here. There's a very strong organization called Women and Law in sub-Saharan Africa that has led advocacy on legislation on domestic violence, the penal code, etc. They're almost out of money. They're basically struggling to survive.

In every crisis there's an opportunity to re-shift and refocus and rethink how we engage. I think that in Mozambique this presents an interesting and important opportunity under difficult circumstances.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Thank you.

Tony.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Clement Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON

Thank you for the opportunity.

I have one question for Professor Percival and then one question for Madam Mohammed.

Professor Percival, you mentioned the power of social media and how to use it as a greater methodology when protecting women in these situations. You mentioned specifically how Tahrir Square is a good example of the power of social media.

Of course, social media goes in both directions. I also worry about those who want to incite violence, using social media for that purpose to rally people. Whereas before, they would use shortwave radio to get the message out through code names and terms, social media is used for that purpose now, particularly by ISIS but also by other groups.

I wonder whether you want to comment on that double-edged sword aspect of social media.

3:55 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

Okay.

Definitely the examples of social media being used for bullying and exploitation and potential incitement of violence, particularly against women and girls, exists and is there, and it is a double-edged sword.

I'm not sure whether any members of the committee are familiar with the author Steven Johnson, who has written a book called Where Good Ideas Come From and one called Future Perfect: The Case For Progress In A Networked Age . He talks about social media and information technology and the double-edged sword aspect that you mentioned.

I guess what we have to do is be aware of the potential pernicious consequences of social media and work on safeguards, to the extent possible. It would be a shame if it we didn't use that tool for fear of negative consequences.

I don't really have a more specific answer than that. I can't think of any particular examples, but it's a very good question.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Clement Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON

It's a human invention, and therefore it has all the good things about it and all the bad things about it.

Do I have time for another question?

I'll get another chance.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Nault

I'll go to Mr. Sidhu, please.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Jati Sidhu Liberal Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Thank you, Professor, for your testimony today. There's a lot of light shed on different issues.

You touched on the leadership's needing to come from within the country and you touched on the Canada fund help and then the human rights issue.

What steps can be taken as part of development interventions in post-conflict settings to improve access to health services, including reproductive health care for women and girls? How can we intervene?

3:55 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

That's a very good question, and it's also a very big question.

In an immediate post-conflict setting, humanitarian organizations come in, they implement health services through direct delivery by non-governmental organizations, and then there's a transition period to national health services.

I think one thing we need to do better is in looking at that transition period. We need to build the capacity of national health workers in the immediate recovery phase and build an understanding of the gendered dimensions of health, the differential impacts of conflict on women and men, and ensure that we engage with the national health service to empower and train the national health service in ways that will ensure that health delivery is more gender equitable and sensitive to these needs.

I'm involved in a project with the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, and we're looking at that very topic. I'd be happy to provide the clerk of the committee with a link to resources, if you're interested in looking at them.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Jati Sidhu Liberal Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

I have just a quick follow-up. You said you were going to be done in a couple of months. Do you have a replacement after you're back here?

4 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

I'm not the ambassador, sadly. The current ambassador is also leaving, and I'm not sure who the replacement is. I'm going back to teach at Carleton University, so I'll be in the same city in a couple of months.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Raj Saini Liberal Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you, Madam Mohammed for coming today, and Professor Percival.

Professor, I have a structural question for you. You have stated in the past that in certain areas of the world gender shapes males' and females' access to medical products and technologies. You have also stated that key decisions about how the health system is run tend to be taken chiefly by men.

I want to talk to you about something you mentioned in one of your writings, about how decentralization of health services at the local level is often part of health care reform.

Can you comment on this idea?

4 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

Yes. The idea of decentralization is that you want to ensure that communities are empowered to take decisions on health care and to direct health care resources towards the issues that are most important within their community. This is a really important principle, and it's one that has been implemented well in places such as Canada, Europe, and to a significant extent in the health reform process in central and eastern Europe.

In Mozambique, for example, there is a decentralization of resources and a deconcentration of authority, but what happens is that at the local level there isn't the capacity to really analyze health information, and there might be more intransigent norms regarding the rights of women and girls. It's like social media, in a sense; it's a double-edged sword.

The idea of decentralization and deconcentration of authority to the local level is a really important one, but it's a question of how it's implemented. Ensuring that women and girls and their access to health care services are protected during that process is really quite critical, as is ensuring that local authorities have the capacity to make decisions.

I'm just finishing a paper that includes Sierra Leone and the Ebola crisis as a case study. One of the interesting comments about Sierre Leone during the Ebola crisis is that there had been a decentralization undertaken in the health system. What happened was that local health authorities did not feel empowered to act quickly on information they were receiving at the local level about Ebola. They were waiting for the central ministry. It shows that it's a good idea in practice, but the implementation can be quite tricky.

May 10th, 2016 / 4 p.m.

Liberal

Raj Saini Liberal Kitchener Centre, ON

I have one follow-up question, since you're in Mozambique.

The question I have is about the political system in Mozambique, where 40% of the MPs are women. Because 40% of the MPs are women, it seems the power is still not shared equally in terms of income and employment, access to education, and access to health. We know from the situation that during the civil war the men and women fought equally.

What happened in the post-conflict period? What was the reason and how can we improve upon that situation?

4:05 p.m.

Assistant Professor of International Affairs, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, As an Individual

Valerie Percival

That is a really good question, and it's something that shocked me when I came to Mozambique. If you look at some of the scores in the gender equality indexes, Mozambique ranks very well. As you mentioned, almost 40% of MPs are women, and you had a significant engagement of women in peace processes. There are very strong women advocates here, yet the health indicators are appalling.

In terms of what we did wrong or what the Mozambican government did wrong, it really comes down to the point of my presentation, that you can establish indicators for maternal mortality and access to education for girls, but unless you have a broad dialogue that promotes the value of women and girls in society, and unless you address head-on some of those social norms that undermine and exploit women and girls, then your indicators are just going to be surface. They're not going to contribute to meaningful change.

Mozambique is the place where I really started to think about our not doing gender equality in the right way and also about our needing to engage civil society members more readily.

One of the challenges of Mozambique is that, because there's so much development assistance flowing in, many high-capacity women are working for the Canadian High Commission, USAID, CDC, or DFID, or for the UN. Their voices are silenced, and they're not able to contribute as members of civil society. Also, civil society organizations that are there are underfunded.

It's a challenging, interesting, and sad place to examine gender issues.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Nault

Thank you.

We'll go to Madame Laverdière.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Hélène Laverdière NDP Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you both for your presentations.

Ms. Mohammed, you have painted a rather sad picture of women's rights in Iraq at this time. I would like to ask a few questions. What level of participation do women have in the political process in general and in decision-making relating to security operations and so forth?

4:05 p.m.

President, Baghdad Headquarters, Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq

Yanar Mohammed

It's a well-known fact that the percentage of women in the Iraqi parliament came about as a result of a quota, which was the result of Iraqi women's organizations demanding it from the authorities at the time.

We do have 25% of the parliament as women, but you may also have noticed the term “meaningful representation of women” being repeated many times. Most of those parliamentarians belong to religious, patriarchal parties where their role has been drawn for them, and their loyalty is more to their political parties than to their gender. It is not meaningful participation in bettering the situation of women in Iraq.

In response to the question about the role of women in the reconciliation efforts in the country, women are not being included at all. Even civil society voices are being silenced.

I wrote in the speaking notes that one of the initiatives that was silenced was the radio for women, the only radio station for women, which we had started in Iraq. Because we had campaigned against a very misogynous law called the Jaafari law, the government gave us an order to close it under many pretexts.

The meaningful voices of women are being silenced. Their meaningful representation in the councils and committees is not desired by the government. The government itself is in a state of flux at this point, because the prime minister is in a difficult situation, although unfortunately it's not moving towards a change for the people or towards an egalitarian situation. It's just religious parties doing a reshuffle inside the government to give more seats to this group and not that group.

According to the way the government is run, the chances that are given to women do not look very good. Unless civil society is empowered and given a role with the encouragement of the international community, and with some support from the Canadian government, we will not see better times in Iraq.

Between ISIS-controlled zones and the Iraqi government, women are paying the price in all of that conflict. Although the men do get killed—and these are massacres being committed—women are enduring long-term sexual victimization that neither the government nor the international community is addressing in an adequate way.

The only response is to lend support for the military conquest in Iraq while nobody asks about the victims. We know that, because we have the only shelters in Iraq proper for women. We have opened some for Yazidi women, and some in the western part of Iraq, but the international community is more concerned about military support for the Iraqi government's army.

I come from civil society. I'm a Canadian Iraqi woman and that's why my vision might be a bit critical, but we believe that the change can come from there. It has to be a bottom-up change, because all the millions of dollars—and now the number is half a trillion—spent on the Iraqi government did not bring us anything.