Evidence of meeting #15 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bilateral.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jim Cornelius  Executive Director, Canadian Foodgrains Bank
Fraser Reilly-King  Senior Policy Analyst, Canadian Council for International Cooperation
Christina Polzot  Manager, Program Development, Quality and Knowledge, Oxfam Canada
Kelly Bowden  Acting Director, Policy and Campaigns, Oxfam Canada
Philip Oxhorn  Professor of Political Science, Founding Director of the Institute for the Study of International Development, McGill University, As an Individual
Eva Busza  Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada
John McArthur  Professor, Brookings Institute, As an Individual

5:30 p.m.

Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada

Eva Busza

I would agree. I don't think we should abandon bilateral assistance. I think we do need to look at the one-third/two-thirds split and also look carefully at our regional contributions. Those could involve Canada going on alone or Canada going through multilateral institutions. That's one thing.

Second, on the coordination front, that was one of the points I was trying to make toward the end. I do think we're trying to play more of a “middle power role” in international politics. I see that Canada has huge potential to be playing that similar type of brokering role in the international development space, and I think we would be welcomed in that position.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Robert Aubin NDP Trois-Rivières, QC

Mr. McArthur, would you like to add anything?

5:30 p.m.

Professor, Brookings Institute, As an Individual

John McArthur

Again, I think these are all great points. It depends on the problem we're trying to solve.

Generally speaking, it's a “yes and”, not an “or”, so some things are efficiency based, some things are resource based, some things are policy based. It matters to understand which is the problem we care about. On issues of human rights, maybe there's a need to support legal reform or justice services, but it's a very different problem, again, from the expressed commitment around something like maternal, newborn, and child health, which is about health service delivery.

It's part of why I also resist the term “international development”, because it bundles everything as if it's a single bucket of a problem, which it's just not. It's like saying we'll pick which organ you like best in your body as the one that's most important. Well, I like my heart, my lungs, and hopefully my brain works sometimes. I want to be able to breathe. How does all this fit together in each society? It's a different mix. I want my cardiologist—if, heaven forbid, I have to go see one—to know how my heart works, so I need this specific expertise. Whether that's from a bilateral or multilateral support base, what I care about most is that I can access the expertise. Whereas, if I have a problem with my lungs, I'm going to go a pulmonary specialist because they have a different expertise.

I think that, for Canada, for these different priorities we care about, we at least have to align that there are some things where we will commit to be a bilateral leader, which means we need heavy expertise, not just on financing but all the technical problem-solving that goes into solving these things over time. I think we need to build up our civil service technical expertise on this, through a research department, through policy voices. We also might say that there are these other areas where we're not going to invest so much in that in-house and direct bilateral, but we might want to work with them—for example, something like the global agriculture and food security program, which is an instrument on the brink right now—to scale up the multilateral approach, because the world doesn't need more bilaterals in that area right now; it needs more multilateral coherence. That's an area where there's actually significant expertise.

I think we just have to think through the mix of, again, priorities, problems, and expertise. We do have to be aware that one of the challenges of Canada's having got to a point of such small budgets, compared to its peer countries on this, is that we have to make tougher choices than most. One problem over time is to say how you release from that constraint, knowing that we're having to make extra hard choices in this area because our budgets have become so small.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Nault

Colleagues, that concludes our time with the three witnesses today.

Mr. McArthur, Mr. Oxhorn, and Madame Busza, thank you very much for the short time you did have. We got into some substance today, which is very important to our study. On behalf of the committee, thank you very much for participating.

Colleagues, thank you. Have a good long week in your ridings. We'll see you in a week or so.

This meeting is adjourned.