I'm glad to hear you say that, because we did hear some evidence earlier today in the first round that suggested that sanctions at their worst can be ineffective and even counterproductive, but I think that at least some of us here are trying to be a little more optimistic and even practical, in that, when used properly amongst the multilateral tools that are available to Canada, sanctions can often effect desired outcomes.
I wanted to pick up, though, on your evidence about enablers. You said that if sanctions are used properly and specifically, in a targeted way, we can get at the money, the resources, and the communications networks that are used by human rights abusers. How can Canada work with other like-minded state actors in a more effective way to coordinate the approach to using sanctions targeted at enablers?